He’s always banging on about ā€˜fat lasses’ as well.

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Surprised no-one’s brought up Summer Heights High/Angry Boys. Chris Lilley loved himself a bit of blackface.

I don’t know enough to even start with the Jonah character, although given that the comedy seems to stem from a very specific racial stereotype which doesn’t exist in the UK it seems pretty cut-and-dry that he should have left that one alone entirely. S.Mouse didn’t even need to be black. In fact, you could make a compelling argument that he’d have been funnier as a deluded white boy. I remember finding that choice pretty shocking at the time, given it was only about 10 years ago.

Guess they were nowhere near as high-profile but as with Chris Morris, they seem to get more of a pass on the basis of edginess/assumed political allegiances.

Where do we stand on Sacha Baron Cohen? Ali G obviously didn’t involve blackface (and aaaaarguably was doing what I just suggested Chris Lilley should have done with S.Mouse) but ā€œIs it because I is blackā€ is quite the catchphrase for a posh Jewish comedian (obviously SBC isn’t ā€˜white’, which probably goes some way to explaining why he gets left out of these conversations)

On the other hand, I think it’s clear that you’d be hard pushed to defend Borat or Bruno if they were released today. But again, ā€˜My wife’ and SBC’s outspoken liberal views seem to buy him a pass that other comedians definitely don’t get.

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Have either Walliams or Lucas come out and apologised or acknowledged any of this yet? Saw that DW had posted a BLM tweet the other day and all that was below it were hundreds of replies about Little Britain.

Has David Baddiel apologised for the Jason Lee stuff either? Probably not. Prick.

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In my mind that part of Spaced is it reflecting back the language of young adults at the time; it’s the kind of throwaway remark that was everywhere. I recall a period around then where loads of people around me called everything a bit rubbish ā€œgaaaayā€. To me It reflects how many spoke to those we were fond of in the early 2000s. Not to defend it as not problematic.- it obviously is and should be treated as such - but I think it’s also important to recognise the language used as being a product of the actual culture it was written about rather than a deliberate attempt to write for laughs.

Mind you - I haven’t watched it for a long while, so the show in my mind may not reflect the one that was actually produced.

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id agree, and with all the reference it does date it to a specific period too id say. and its not choc full of them. the characters kind of stand their own without the problematic aspects.

that said, im not sure how many people are familiar with Leigh bowery :man_shrugging:

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Chooooooooon

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what are peoples thoughts on IASIP, is the ā€˜the joke is they are terrible people’ still a justification?

This is the closest I’ve ever seen him come; it’s unrepentant.

ā€œperhaps it wasā€

FFFS

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He’s got us! Please please please don’t anyone prevent David Walliams or Harry Enfield from having opinions on racism!

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jfc all he had to say was ā€œsorryā€

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I can’t remember any individual bits enough to comment on whether they’re ok or not, but definitely found the fact they’re all so awful made it unwatchable after a while.

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It’s definitely a bit more nuanced than Little Britain etc because of the core idea of them being terrible people who don’t learn anything. I guess my feelings on it is that the joke is always to laugh at the characters reactions to things happening, rather than the topic itself. (Although I suspect there are lots who watch and don’t understand this and take the show on face value).

That being said, I have some LGBT friends who find some of the episodes with Mac’s sexuality quite transphobic (especially in season 1?). I also haven’t rewatched it in a while so unsure if the Lethal Weapon stuff stands up.

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Piers Morgan has worked out the best way to benefit Piers Morgan. If he thought that the burning of 5G masts and shooting protestors would benefit him more, then that’s what he would be supporting.

It’s nice to see him embarrassing the occasional Tory, but I always feel dirty for enjoying it.

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I’d say the thing with IASIP is that they definitely consider this stuff beyond a ā€œhey, isn’t political correctness a buzzkill?ā€. You can see it in the difference between the first season being very much of-its-time ā€œthey’re horrible and it’s ironicā€ and the later seasons diving more into the raw awfulness of the characters and the things they do / think.

But then I don’t know; maybe that’s just me trying to excuse it for being more problematic than I think it is!

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Yeah, if anything it’s proof he’s a total opportunist

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I was thinking about this during an episode of Community the other day. Chang. yells out ā€œGaa-aay!ā€ in exactly the same context as the ā€œAlright, gayā€ thing and while you can make the argument that the joke is a middle-aged-man who was recently a teacher suddenly finding himself a pupil and saying things that ā€œthe kidsā€ say, I think that’s probably over-intellectualising a mildly problematic ā€œof its timeā€ joke. ā€œits timeā€, again, being about 10 years ago. Pretty remarkable how quickly things have changed if you think about it.

So, I saw this episode for the first time around 2 years ago, definitely recently enough to be appalled by gratuitous blackface and I will cape for the argument that the laugh is intended to be at the characters’ expense. I know that’s often used as a cop-out but there I think it genuinely stands up. I have no doubt there are people who’d find blackface funny per se, but are those people watching IASIP? I mean, I’m sure they are but they’re sure as shit watching a different show to the one I was.

(would obviously defer to any POC who think differently)

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yeah I think the intention is to laugh at the characters, but do think it is very possible that a lot of viewers will laugh at it at complete face value level, and it might be a net increase in terms of racial humour added to the world

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I think that in IASIP the joke is so clearly always on the protagonists. If it was even remotely possible to root for any of them then they wouldn’t get away with half of what they do.

I stand ready to change my take if it turns out that actually it has been harmful to any community though.

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yeah I’m very much ā€˜spaced’ age and just saying ā€˜that’s a bummer’ and calling someone a bummer was common as kids. As a kid I can 100% say it meant downer. even calling someone a bummer meant calling someone just annoying really, although obviously in Spaced it is a reference to homosexuality and I guess it morphed into that sort of insult at some point.

Calling people or things ā€˜gay’ came years later, I think around the time Little Britain was on actually.

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