Gareth I can accept is OK to some degree. Brent has been sullied in my eyes by Gervais, particularly the Brent film which was utterly terrible.

Dwight is fantastic in the later series, extremely redeemable imho.

yeah the Brent film is awful but it’s not related to the Office at all really. Brent is completely different in it too, it’s not him

Michael and Dwight are both awful too though really, they just get more episodes to redeem themselves.

Seinfeld and It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia fan seeing people debating dickhead characters in a sitcom: :neutral_face:

The Seinfeld characters have charm at least. It’s Always Sunny is just terrible

I’m midway through Season 8 and I love James Spader (in everything) but I’m still pretty bored. Not sure I’ve ever felt like it was a great show, just an ok show with a few great moments. Michael is just not very funny to me.

I never really felt that invested in Jim and Pam either as they are quite annoying and do not compare to P&R’s Ben and Leslie (actual couple perfection).

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I wish Dwight wasn’t in it. The least funny thing in it.

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The insights into Dwight’s beet farm are the best part of the show. There’s a en episode in the last series where he’s trying to hire one of his weird friends that’s one of the best of the whole run imo. And anything with Mose is gold.

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The US office is perfectly fine as a light-hearted 20 min comedy, as long as you forget any idea that these characters are meant to be real people and it’s meant to be a documentary. There are absolutely zero characters that I’m emotionally invested in, and if you actually think about the actions of the characters, they’re almost all really mean, horrible people.

The UK office is so believable and so real, and has real emotional depth alongside the comedy. That’s what makes it special to me. Brent is an idiot, yes, but he’s trying so hard to be liked and he gets a tiny moment of redemption. Tim and Dawn are wonderfully written and beautifully understated. It’s pretty much perfect to me.

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Watching season
 7? 8? Dunno, Catherine Tate’s character has stolen Andy’s job or something. She’s absolutely terrible as well, just some even more bizarre WACKY character that doesn’t fit, at least Creed’s nonsense works because it’s in such small doses.

When Michael left it took a deep dive off a cliff and hasn’t really recovered, to be honest. :frowning:

Another shout-out to Kathy Bates though, she was terrific in this as Jo Bennett.

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wonder what happened here, seems weird

even though the Michael character’s pr problematic Steve Carell’s an exceptional comedy actor imo, find him so watchable

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still not gonna watch Space Force though

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jfc do Buzzfeed still make articles injected with gifs like that?

They talked about this on An Oral History of The Office. I didn’t realise the full story before then either.

could understand if there was some kind of brinksmanship over pay but seems like they didnt even try and negotiate

Yeah, basically a casualty of big changes in the organisation meaning that no-one got round to renewing him. Feels kind of fitting though that he ended up leaving the show as a side-effect of a bureaucratic oversight.

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My girlfriend recently got into the Office, so vicariously I ended up watching most of it again a second time through, and I was quite taken back at how much punching down and thinly veiled racism there was behind the humour, and how little it was called out with others who’ve more recently rewatched it.

To me, there was so much of it which was a hark back to the times where “It’s funny because obviously we don’t think these things” was used to excuse pretty much any abhorrent humour. Some characters, particularly Michael and Dwight are just vessels for misogyny, racism, bullying, privilege. If they were also characters who we’re supposed to hate it wouldn’t feel so off, but that’s not the case. We’re supposed to love them as flawed individuals who may be absolutely horrendous, but hey, for 30 seconds an episode they do something that’s not terrible, so it’s all OK again now.

There’s less of it as the show goes on, but for the first couple of seasons in particular, the hangover of Ricky Gervais’s “Does It Offend You, Yeah?” style is all over it.

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have you ever seen the david brent film? he is basically racist throughout the whole film, and then because at the end some macho sales types start giving him a hard time, everyone else (including those he has been racist towards) rally around him with a ‘leave him alone, he is alright really’ resolution, it is really weird

I haven’t seen it and don’t plan to, but yeah, that sounds sadly unsurprising as a plot angle to be honest.

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