How's your career / existential crisis going?


Don’t hand in your notice until you’ve got a start date and contract


Yeah I get that, but my manager (ceo) who provided the reference wants to speak to other management (which is half the office) to work out what to do (i.e. do they need to recruit or can they shift roles of current staff), as otherwise unlikely somebody would be able to start until well after I have left. I like the people here and don’t want to burn bridges.


And at the point everyone knows I’m leaving, it then becomes completely humiliating if for any reason it doesn’t go through.


All companies have to deal with staff turnover, it’s their issue, not yours. It’s great that you like them and don’t want to unduly cause them hassle, but you have to look out for yourself first. Better that they a) have to scramble for a replacement when you go, or b) you have to deal with causing a fuss if it turns out you’re not leaving, than c) quitting and not having a job to go to.


Not your problem, you have a notice period. If they haven’t given you one that allows them to recruit a replacement it’s on them.

Don’t be pressured into it


They can start planning to recruit without you putting your notice in. Be firm that as soon as you have a contract and start date you will give notice, but don’t let them push you into risking it as there is always a small chance that a job offer can fall through.

I wouldn’t call too often to check when your start date will be agreed either as these thing can take a little while and I’m guessing you’ve already told them your current employer is waiting on it.


So she has now asked me to at least tell my line manager for one role so that they can have a discussion today (manager on leave next week, line manager straight after) about what to do. We’re a charity, and if I leave without a replacement we would probably lose an entire project funding and be very very screwed. Should I say yes, but ask them to keep it between themselves until it’s confirmed?


Like froglet said, I would tell them you’ve received a job offer elsewhere but won’t be handing in your notice until it’s all confirmed.


Needing a reference from your current employer is so messy. I would have needed one anyway as it’s my first ‘proper’ job, but you actually had to do a current employer reference anyway.


You’ll have this all sorted out in a couple of weeks and be looking forward to the next step in your career. Good luck!


Confirmation through! Just in time to avoid my boss hating me :grin:


hooray! :balloon::tada::confetti_ball:

also congratulations (officially)!


Anyone here work in town planning/urban design or related fields? I think it’d be quite an interesting field of work and i’ve been doing some general reading on it. Like with most career changes, feels as if it’s a bit of a catch 22 situation, where a postgrad course application (and post graduation job apps) would be strengthened immeasurably by some basic experience in the field, but even low paid entry level jobs require a the degree and accreditation. Anyone got any ideas on accessible posts that would provide a leg up in this area?


@guntrip is yer man!


Hello! (thanks @dingaling)

So generally, yeah, most planning posts, even entry-level ones, will require you to either have or be working towards an RTPI-accredited degree. The RTPI charters professional planners, which is something seen as v serious in the field. I did a full undergraduate degree (started when I was 28) but that was because it was my first degree and pretty atypical for the field. The various one-year post-grad courses are designed as conversion courses and wouldn’t be considered any less employable vs an undergrad, if that was at all a concern. The RTPI also has bursaries for post-grad courses.

There is also an apprenticeship route which is a combined work/study thing but I don’t know too much about that cos it’s quite new.

Urban design and masterplanning is a bit more specialist than just standard vanilla planning, and there are specific postgrad courses for that. I studied a fair bit of it as an undergrad, but I don’t know if you’d get enough on a post-grad planning course to go work in it straight off. Also to note that some of the design postgrad courses may not be RTPI accredited, which is something to consider, but (a) jobs may be a bit less demanding of that because of their specialist nature, and (b) the RTPI has recently overhauled their membership pathways so it’s easier to get chartership if you’ve not done an accredited course.

I suppose the other thing you could do is trying to find work in an admin/support role. My last boss came into the field that way - worked in support to a local authority planning department, and they funded her through the course. This was all pre-2008/austerity though, so I have no idea what that landscape is like now.

This is perhaps a bit rambly but if you have any specific questions or what to chat a bit further DM me. Happy to help.


I’m a planner too. I’m not going to go over what @guntrip said, as he’s hit the nail on the head. Another option though, if you’re interested, is to look at planning and/or urban design consultancies. A lot of the larger ones have very good graduate programmes where you work part time whilst completing an accredited course.


That’s a great help, thanks so much to you guys :grinning:


Very few local authorities do that now, unfortunately. My dad’s just retired as a town planner and apparently that route has been pretty much closed off.


Didn’t get an interview for this job I applied for in the centre of London, but I didn’t particularly want it anyway so I’m not bothered (not really giving a fuck is the key to resilience and success, I think). It’s just a pain because I wasted a whole Saturday filling out the application writing 1,000-1,500 words.

Is writing that many words normal for most jobs? Or is it quite unusual?


Probably should’ve gone for the lowest option in the salary range as well, given how inexperienced I am…