I hear the BBC is racist now, father


#1

#2

What the fuck ?


#3

Fucking HELL.


#4

Did anyone listen to the show? I’m not sure what exactly the blurb means by “reflects on”? Does it mean challenges?


#5

feels like the BBC and the guardian have both decided to just troll the liberal/left-leaning section of their audience lately, almost daring you to say something, in lieu of having any clue of how to interrogate an increasingly right wing society.


#6

Hasn’t happened yet, it’s on Saturday. And it will be the speech in full, followed (or introduced with, or both) with some discussion, some of which I’m sure will be critical, but is that enough?


#7

Read by Emperor Palpatine no less

Who also doesn’t think Powell was racist


#8

I wouldn’t know without listening to it. I’ll try to remember.

The host has said that its pieces of the speech cut up and critiqued.


#9

as a side note, this was tony benn’s response to the speech back in the day:

The flag of racialism which has been hoisted in Wolverhampton is beginning to look like the one that fluttered 25 years ago over Dachau and Belsen. If we do not speak up now against the filthy and obscene racialist propaganda … the forces of hatred will mark up their first success and mobilise their first offensive.
Enoch Powell has emerged as the real leader of the Conservative Party. He is a far stronger character than Mr. Heath. He speaks his mind; Heath does not. The final proof of Powell’s power is that Heath dare not attack him publicly, even when he says things that disgust decent Conservatives.

you could swap powell out for boris or mogg or farage and heath for may and benn’s statement would be just as relevant today tbqh.


#10

Sorry, I know nothing of this person or the speech. Can someone simplify educate me pls? :slight_smile:

Sometimes it feels like everyone knows everything and I don’t really know anything


#11

Benn and Powell were actually friends fwiw. Benn went to his funeral. (Think Eurosceptism was the thing that binded them above all else).

I don’t see the point of reading the speech out in this programme, which otherwise seems like a worthwhile thing to do. Strange decision.


#12

”Is killing puppies wrong? Today in the studio we’ll be debating that very question.

But before we do, just so we know exactly what we’re talking about, for the next 15 minutes we’re going to kill a puppy live on air and then ask ’Was that wrong?’

Joining me in the debate will be journalist Poppy Wilkins…

Hello

who thinks puppy killing is cruel …and Professor Emeritus of History at Trinity College Cambridge, Sir Oswald Hethrington Gormley Smythe

It’s LORD Sir Oswald Hethrington Gormley Smythe as a matter of fact

Oh I do beg your pardon

Good evening

…who will put forward the case that Britain has a long proud history of puppy killing that is folded into the very fabric of our National Identity and that it would actually be more cruel to the puppies not to kill them.

So, which one of you wants to stamp on its neck first ?


#13

It’s a famous speech made by a tory MP in the late 60s against immigration:


#14

Enoch Powell was a prominent right wing Conservative politician from about the 1950s to the 1970s. He gave a speech at a town hall in Wolverhampton in 1968 about immigration from the Commonwealth and his concerns about it. It’s called the Rivers of Blood speech because he used a metaphor from Roman Mythology in it “I see the River Tiber foaming with much blood”, used to talk about how he feared the country would turn if immigration kept happening.


#15

My opinion - he was a dreadful racist.


#16

Hi Fidel


#17

I think the cultural reaction section of that article shows why it’s a bad idea to broadcast the speech on the radio today:

On 5 August 1976, Eric Clapton provoked an uproar and lingering controversy when he spoke out against increasing immigration during a concert in Birmingham. Visibly intoxicated, Clapton voiced his support of the controversial speech, and announced on stage that Britain was in danger of becoming a “black colony”. Among other things, Clapton said “Keep Britain white!”[32] which was at the time a National Front (NF) slogan.[33][34]

In November 2010, the actor and comedian Sanjeev Bhaskar recalled the fear which the speech instilled in Britons of Indian origin: “At the end of the 1960s, Enoch Powell was quite a frightening figure to us. He was the one person who represented an enforced ticket out, so we always had suitcases that were ready and packed. My parents held the notion that we may have to leave.”[35]

Whilst a section of the white population appeared to warm to Powell over the speech, the author Mike Phillips recalls that it legitimised hostility, and even violence, towards black Britons like himself.[36]

In his book The British Dream (2013), David Goodhart claims that Powell’s speech in effect “put back by more than a generation a robust debate about the successes and failures of immigration”.[37]

“ Just when a discussion should have been starting about integration, racial justice, and distinguishing the reasonable from the racist complaints of the white people whose communities were being transformed, he polarised the argument and closed it down.[37]


#18

I always suspected Clapton was fucking cunt.


#19

From memory he went a lot further than the quotes there in his rant, not going to post it here but it’s easily googleable if you want to read it.


#20

incidentally the beatles song “get back” initially began as a satirical take on powell’s speech before it morphed into the song we all know today. probably for the best in hindsight.