#30

early Dillinger and Between the Buried and Me def had jazz elements:

but I dunno, does prog conflict with jazz? is it from the same place?

#31

If a proto-metaller widdles before there is heavy metal, does it make a sound?

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#32

Far too much widdling in this thread. Save it for the widdle thwead.

#33

(I probably could have picked better examples but I’m not 15 anymore)

#34

Impressive. It takes a huge amount of practice, dedication and skill to make something quite this unlistenable.

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#35

Ephel Duath, plus kayo dot + bohren & die club of gore in places

#36

Mare sorta


Cynic

#37

seem to recall cynic being quite jazz fusiony, don’t think I ever properly listened to them though

oh, wwwwo just said that

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#38

do Jaga Jazzist count (never listened to them)

#39

yes, except that they aren’t metal or jazz

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#40

excellent!

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#41

Nah, because when its contemporary you can’t be proto something that doesn’t exist. The Stooges weren’t going round calling themselves Proto-Punk, that only came about when the punk bands decided to copy them.

On the other hand Deafheaven can go around saying they’re Post-Black Metal because they have taken what Mayhem were doing and given it a shoegaze sound instead.

#42

I don’t want to get too deep into a conversation about genre. That way madness lies, and this has already gone on long enough. But few bands - that’s to say, few pioneering bands - are willing to attach a specific label to their sound. It’s always done after the fact, once we have a bit of hindsight and perspective. Which is why terms like “proto metal” exist.

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#43

This really depends on what you’re defining as ‘jazz’. If it’s swing rhythms, they’re everywhere (Refused, System of a Down). If it’s being progressive with time signatures, keys, dissonance, instrumentation, etc, then you’re looking at The Mars Volta, Dillinger, etc. King Crimson was prog, but that’s because they were bringing jazz influences into a rock band setup.

#44

As if I didn’t immediately have to play that Esperanza Spalding track, though.

#45

I was already thinking that this is bordering on my most successful thread on the new boards. This revelation has definitely tipped it over the edge.

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#46

tried watching it again. got to 1:25, that’s my best effort i think

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#47

It’s really incredible.

Also made me realise my racist assumption that only someone not UK/US could do this as otherwise they’d know how essentially naff the video and the song were. But no, she’s American. She’s from Portland, though, so it could just be viral work for Portlandia?

#48

Hold on, you mean “incredible” in a bad way? It’s a fantastic song! And the album just gets better from this point.

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#49

(I quite like the song, am now listening to the album…)