Is there such thing as jazz metal?

Their 21st century (schizoid) albums are metal A.F.

Their early albums might be labelled as proto-metal.

I mean, the riff from Larks Tongue in Aspic Pt. 1. Metal A.F.

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proto-metal?
no inventing genres

If you’re allowed to have “post” genres, then it stands to reason that you can have “proto” genres.

But what I really mean is, they were playing metal before the term existed to describe their sound.

yup this is immediately who came to my mind too

my memory of ephel duath was good, but it was a long, long time ago, let’s find out if I still think that

that drum n bass break is so bad

yeah either this hasn’t aged well or I have?

could be both i guess

early Dillinger and Between the Buried and Me def had jazz elements:

but I dunno, does prog conflict with jazz? is it from the same place?

If a proto-metaller widdles before there is heavy metal, does it make a sound?

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Far too much widdling in this thread. Save it for the widdle thwead.

(I probably could have picked better examples but I’m not 15 anymore)

Impressive. It takes a huge amount of practice, dedication and skill to make something quite this unlistenable.

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Ephel Duath, plus kayo dot + bohren & die club of gore in places

Mare sorta

Cynic

seem to recall cynic being quite jazz fusiony, don’t think I ever properly listened to them though

oh, wwwwo just said that

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do Jaga Jazzist count (never listened to them)

yes, except that they aren’t metal or jazz

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excellent!

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Nah, because when its contemporary you can’t be proto something that doesn’t exist. The Stooges weren’t going round calling themselves Proto-Punk, that only came about when the punk bands decided to copy them.

On the other hand Deafheaven can go around saying they’re Post-Black Metal because they have taken what Mayhem were doing and given it a shoegaze sound instead.