#1325

It’s a good speech :+1:

Other than two bits - the couple of lines on Scotland. As a complete know-nothing it seemed a bit :grimacing: to talk about “divisive nationalism” in the same breath.

And the bloody olympics! Though I don’t doubt it’s authenticity of meaning to her nor the effectiveness at what bringing it up is intended to do, it just turns me right off (but that’s a personal thing)

Oh and I never like people talking about more police but I acknowledge that is completely unavoidable at the current time

#1326

Yeah I think I’m resigned to being unenthusiastic about any vote I cast in this, but I don’t know whether or not that’s the average position tbf. It’s very rare to be excited about a candidate I think (hence why Corbyn was so popular. I couldn’t personally see the appeal but I understood that at least he was getting people excited at least).

But yeah the field is much stronger than 4 years ago and what’s notable is that all candidates (with the exception of perhaps Thornberry at this point) have got their own diagnoses of Labour’s problems and interesting directions in which they want to rebuild. So it feels like a good contest! Although I think it’s only so because Corbyn’s leadership opened up new possibilities of policy and direction which other candidates in 2015 couldn’t have touched. So that’s a positive legacy of his, I suppose.

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#1327

Dripping with enthusiasm here Geoff :wink:

#1328

i’m just not bothered about any of them. starmer will probably walk it and it’ll be shit.

#1329

Haha! There isn’t much of a positive legacy but credit where credit is due.

#1330

Yeah I liked this speech too.

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#1331

The last two things snagged for me too, but I know that they both resonate for other people even if they don’t for me.

As to challenging Scottish Nationalism, I think she’s trying to separate the socially liberal party that keeps beating Labour, from the divisive but long running issue of independence that skews the elections in Scotland. Like you I don’t know enough about the situation to know if this is any kind of approach:

An International commission, led by and for Scottish people, that seeks to learn from the few examples where at times in modern history the cause of social justice has beaten divisive nationalism.

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#1333

another thing i can’t be doing with is scots nats talk atm, what are they even really getting independence from with national debt that high, honestly. ridiculous. i’m grumpy af about it all.

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#1334

Why not Starmer and Rayner? I would hope she’d be a good foil for him - better than Burgon for example.

#1336

I don’t think you could get a cigarette paper between RLB and Rayner on policy - I think their differences are all down to their personal experience and different approaches to what politics is.

I think Starmer has a tendency to be wooden and that’s his major issue, but I don’t think he’s a dangerous centrist and I think having a Barrister opposite Johnson at the dispatch box would be very useful. I also don’t think he would dominate a working relationship with Rayner.

The main reason I won’t vote for him is that I think the experienced female candidates are all easily good enough be to leader, which means one of them should be leader barring a genuinely bad campaign. I would vote for Starmer over Phillips though.

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#1337

Yeah I guess I can reluctantly see that.

#1339

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#1340

always wondered what this picture is meant to convey, is he laughing behind that hand or just shocked? Is it an “I told you so!” thing?

#1343

memes are so hard

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#1344

words are the ultimate memes

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#1346

Thanks for the linked article authored by Nandy (or Nandy’s team), whoever posted it above

I find myself taken by the various energy levels and ranking candidates by my perception on this quality only

Not a great way to look at things but we are where we are

#1348

That’s not his hand: he’s being slapped by Spcok

#1349

How does it work with CLP nomination meetings? I’m planning to lose my CLPginity with the nom meeting but I thought it would be a secret ballot or something, sounds like you need to talk and I hate talking in groups where I don’t know anyone and especially about politics.

I have absolutely no idea what the composition of my CLP is (although I’d be astonished if they weren’t the type to back Starmer tbh, Tunbridge Wells is not exactly a socialist stronghold) but I’m just anxious that it might be a bit debate club-y? I don’t really do well at vocalising political views having rarely been in circles where I don’t just get shut down immediately (family, work, generally anything with loud opinionated men with less political knowledge but more confidence to plough ahead than me)

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#1350

S.P. Cok

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#1351

HYPE

Do something! Don’t know what yet but just DO it

Seriously, a careful and considered campaigner won’t do it for me. Johnson has the cunning, advantage and luck to see that off

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