#2116

Well yeah - the cocktail of hypocrisy and short-sightedness is a perennial blight. See also: those who didn’t seem to notice how much George Osborne was borrowing as Tory Chancellor.

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#2117

And that is sort of a side point if your main idea is people weren’t dumb for not trusting Corbyn, I do think people have a duty to make well informed decisions and essentially I do believe some people knew his policies were more likely to provide growth than fail (even if now they are looking a bit stupid if they fully swallowed a “magic money tree” argument) just through the cursory macroeconomoic forecasts available and just witnessing growth in other countries with better investment- and that a lot of it instead came down to a culture war in their heads and immigrants terrorism eu blah blah blah and yeah I do think people are dumb for going down that path AS WELL as looking dumb for the aforementioned cocktail of hypocrisy.

#2118

But this is the problem. We don’t KNOW. And if you don’t have the political ability (or fortune) to be able to craft arguments to persuade people that “yeah it’s a hell of a lot of borrowing but it’ll be fine because of x” then you’re heading for failure.

The mistake Corbyn and McDonnell made was to treat the 2017 manifesto as a platform to dramatically extend, not something which represented a fairly good ceiling for what the electorate would be willing to countenance. Whilst it is easy to say that in hindsight, there needs to be some learning from it.

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#2120

Or ‘they’re borrowing but I trust them not to squander it’

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#2121

While I partially agree with this (why not both!), we’re deluding ourselves if we think that the Tories cancelling HS2 would unlock additional investment for transport links in the north.

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#2122

At the risk of getting cyclical, that doubt does look really dumb in the face of an expensive train to me
Guess that idea comes down to, is it a person’s duty to realise what’s bullshit? or to be sold the truth more effectively than being sold the bullshit? -Which is daft, of course it’s the person, how entitled do people have to be to think the latter

#2123

well yeah

#2124

Pretty sure if I did a poo (this is funnier) on the street I’d be blamed even if I’d read I could on the internet

And this is EXACTLY THE SAME

#2125

Welcome to hell

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#2126

State of those trousers

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#2127

This is like a nightmarish Jim’ll Paint It, come to life.

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#2128

I’m actually confused - are we talking about HS2 here? Because commitment to HS2 was in Labour’s 2019 manifesto as well.

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#2129

The brexit dividend is an extra 3 inches inside leg on every pair of trousers

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#2130

Sure but under false gov figures at the time, no?
Like the point is the real figures now is more than the projected figure of the Labour manifesto

#2132

Jesus man. I just posted the twitter thing no need to be so personal

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#2134

tbf even he looks embarrassed by this

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#2136

Is it? HS2 total cost is projected at c.£100bn and increase in Labour investment spending alone was c.£50bn per year over the next parliament (I thought?)

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#2137

Only if it was zero sum though, which would be v surprising 2 years in!

#2138

In what I suppose fits under the rough umbrella of ‘Bob Mortimer thoughts’, Jim Davidson is strangely wide.

Also, that portrait is fucking piss, though at least they’ve found an appropriate art style to reference, that being the works of Munch

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#2139

The broad, murky brushstrokes of the setting really capture despair appropriately, as the sitter gazes off, tight lipped, as if awaiting a question from some unseen interlocutor. The hands, amateurishly rendered, appear fidgity and uncertain, clasped in a semblance of one of those little bags of eight sausages that aren’t quite the good ones, but also aren’t the bad ones.

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