Johann Hari


#1

Do you think him and his new book deserve a fair hearing, or is he forever tainted by the fact he was a terrible journalist?


#2

Harsh but fair


#3

Great, just what the world needs, MORE books.


#4

doubt i’ll read it


#5

he’s a sociopath


#6

This piece in the Guardian sounds to me to be pretty much right on the subject.


#7

There was another piece on the same subject here, which was interesting. Didn’t really seem to give any solutions to the problem though.


#8

People on Twitter are already taking him to task for making up statistics. I don’t think he’s changed at all. And the arguments I’ve read in the published extracts are at best disingenuous and at worst actively harmful. Basically fuck him and the stolen horse he rode in on.


#9

Scratch that, thought you’d posted the Hari extract.


#10

Yeah, I don’t know if I’d go that far, but I feel that he committed such a number of deliberate frauds over such a length of time that I don’t feel any reason to ever take his work in good faith again.

But it has got me wondering about where we draw the line on “forgiveness”, if people can atone for past mistakes etc etc.


#11

Really confused and suspicious as to why he’s got massive figures on the left like Glenn Greenwald and Naomi Klein pushing for his book. I mean, I doubt it’s anything financially dodgy but there’s something a bit fishy y’know.

I will not be reading the book. Suspect you could read it and sum up the conclusions in two sentences - “Depression is generally caused by social factors. To reduce depression and other mental health problems we should change society.” Which makes it pretty unappetising really.


#12

I read about two thirds of his thing about depression and it seemed pretty poor to me. Lots of misrepresentations and claims that he discovered things that I’ve seen in numerous places while reading up on my own condition.

Reminds me a lot of the guy who made the Cowspiracy film… who turned himself vegan at the pivotal point in two consecutive movies 2 years apart.


#13

i absolutely would go that far

if your reaction to being caught out for lying (passing work off as your own) is to go after the reputations of those who have caught you out, you’re definitely on a scale of some sort or other.


#14

Hillary Clinton has blurbed him! Fuck knows how Bloomsbury (or his agent) managed to get them, especially given his reputation.


#15

forgiveness is a very big spectrum in itself though. he’s not being exiled from society. people just won’t trust what he writes because as a fully formed adult he’s proven himself to be prone to abusing that. he’s been forgiven in the sense that anyone’s agreed to publish him at all


#16

He looks like a completely different person from when I last saw him. Not just the weight loss, just a totally different human


#17

Yeah, that’s fair.


#18

Nah fuck him.


#19

This thread is good and worth a read:


#20

As is this one: