Joss whedon


#1

arse has fallen out hasn’t it. turns out he’s a nice guy creeper.


#2

him?


#3

it’s really sad his wife went through that.

i have a poorly articulated thought about how hypocrisy as a concept is perceived as a great moral evil when it’s not so much. we’re not mad that people do shitty things, we’re mad that we’ve made a mistake in how we judged someone & our minds like to see it as deliberate duplicity sort of thing rather than the personal failings of another flawed animal.

i mean obviously i think less of this guy now tho.


#4

idk

I mean, I’m a sucker for ideas that are difficult to accept, but…his avowed principles would suggest he was more aware than your average person cheating on another person that he was doing a bad thing.


#5

i think most people understand the monogamy thing, maybe not. i dunno.

i wasn’t trying to use this idea to defend him tbf anyway, just popped in my head then cause that piece seemed to frame the hypocrisy of him Cheating Whilst Feminist as being more contemptible than him ruining the life of the person he presumably loved. like i’m grading people on the curve of their own personal ethics rather than mine? that doesn;t make sense to me.


#6

it’s like… polyamory is fine, as long as both people are on board. but his wife wasn’t, and now she has PTSD.

the lack of consideration for his wife and not being a good feminist are one and the same, no?


#7

I genuinely don’t know if we’re talking at cross purposes or if I was arguing a distinction that doesn’t exist. I’ve had 90 minutes sleep and now I’m going to work, I’ll see if I can understand what the point I was making is when I get home tonight, but don’t expect miracles.

I don’t disagree with anything you wrote in that post.


#8

Not sure if the posts above are arguing whether cheating is a misogynist/anti-feminist act. I think that’s slightly beside the point. The interview is making a case that Whedon has used his position of authority, power, and privilege to surround himself with women, while claiming to be non-threatening, and then abusing that position to get his wants. Not that I’m saying he’s sexually harrassed other people, but this is a massive alarm bell about how he views women.

For what it’s worth - his writing has always had massive issues and his defence has never been nuanced or deep. Don’t have a good example to hand but in the past when asked to explain some of those issues he’s said something to the effect of “how dare you ask that to me, I am a feminist” and then thrown his toys out of the pram when pushed about it.

Not sure where to start with articles about him being a bit of a tool, but this came to mind: www.themarysue.com/feminism-aint-easy-joss-whedon/amp/


#9

Love Buffy, disliked him a lot since I found he fired Charisma Carpenter for getting pregnant (amongst other not nice things).


#10

To be honest a lot of the usual ‘traits’ in his shows etc are very male gaze. He’s always seemed to me like a slightly more respectable George Lucas.


#11

Firefly is maybe my favourite show ever, so I’m taking a strong “separating artist from the art stance” here.

That said, this is just yet more proof that basically everyone you value or appreciate has probably done some pretty damn shitty things in their lives. So, stop putting faith in other people I guess? Yay positive message…


#12


#13

Yeah, factor in Adam Baldwin as well and I’m finding a potential Firefly re-watch harder to stomach.


#14

I never really understood why he was seen as a paragon of feminist values, unless it was that these issues are so fucked up in pop culture / films / geekdom that even making a concession to it got him some credit. I mean, sure, he made a couple of shows with “powerful” female leads, but that’s about where it ended. It always felt like he was exploring his own fetish of pretty young woman who can beat him up. How he writes Black Widow in the last Avengers film is a clear enough example of how tone deaf and awful he can be.

Sort of want to re-watch his Much Ado About Nothing now.


#15

This - that stands out like a sore thumb for me. ‘I’m a monster because I can’t have kids’, wtf.

Having kids has nothing to do with it, she’s a monster because she’s Russian. <подмигивать из безопасность!:wink:>

Always felt a bit like he was the ‘popular feminist’ because he was a white man therefore people listened to him, rather than all the women ever. Not too clear on this point, general hmmm kinda feeling, also Age of Ultron made no sense in general


#16

I was reading about that the other day on a Facebook buffy group, first thought was that is not on brand for feminist whedon. It’s even worse because she had a miscarriage before so had good reason to not mention she was pregnant earlier


#17

Also remember reading on buffy teletext back in the day that the first smg stunt double left because of him reading her emails or something creepy


#18

Always thought he was called Josh


#19

“The interview is making a case that Whedon has used his position of authority, power, and privilege to surround himself with women, while claiming to be non-threatening, and then abusing that position to get his wants.”

^This to the power of a billion

He’s a fucking cunt. I am naturally suspicious of men who paint themselves as fluffy ‘friends to the wimmin’ because for every one genuine guy out there who understands the struggle, there are 99 fucking insecure cunts.


#20

Don’t really give a shit about this bloke or his output but it is always infuriating to hear about another dweeby cunt (famous or otherwise) who’s adopted a whole ‘I’m a sensitive one’ persona purely as a technique to get laid.