#164

No such thing, maaaaaan.

#165

Sad!

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#166

tbh the guy she’s arguing with is making an argument that’s based on a fallacy.

#168

I’ve read and re-read this thread a few times but I really don’t make sense of it. What are people annoyed about here?

But I do agree that handclaps between handclaps every handclaps word handclaps is for tossers.

#169

I think the overall view is that people are just beginning to realise that we’re living in a beggars’ economy where our content (whether it be words, music, pictures/we) is generating cash & economic strength for global tech companies and a certain type of news media that has shifted to an aggregator model …but we haven’t yet established the hard criteria in this beggars economy about what sort of activity we feel is ‘legitimate’ to ask for money for

I expect the reaction to Abi Wilkinson putting out the cup has large components of all kinds of prejudices to do with worth & value and where the interface is between what industrial society thinks these things are versus what digital society things

essentially twitter is a streaming services for thoughts and no one is getting any royalties - ko-fi is a consequence

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#170

Also there was that time she called me a dickhead.

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#171

absolutely

we shouldn’t let that pass un-noted

#172

That is a really well written piece tbf

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#173

Honestly have hardly any idea who this milo character is and everyone seems to know who he is and is enraged???
can i get a breakdown

#174

Boring right-wing provocateur, probably doesn’t believe half the shit he says.

Um… awks.

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#175

Well I’m now very confused by that article.

2 people hang out together, get drunk, "talk about boys"
1 then tries to tell the other for years that they are not friends
the other then invites the 1st one out to a rally and they go?
erm? like a friend inviting another friend out ?

CONFUSING

#176

Hmm except many people find him very smart, funny and entertaining.

#177

I suspect the issue is Milo is allegedly (and I’ve heard this from people I’ve talked to) relatively charming in person. However endorses politics and behavior that’s completely antithetical to many of those whom he associates with.

Laurie Penny is a feminist and quite socially liberally yet hangs around with someone who says “gays should get back in the closet” and “birth control makes women less attractive”.

#178

when will sean introduce blue ticks to DiS ??

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#179

Yeah, this is what I’m confused about. If she is not friends with him and they are opposite ends of the spectrum, why is she accepting his invite? Surely thats counterproductive to her telling him for YEARS they’ll never be friends.

#180

They have a shared background in tech/nerd culture journalism that goes back YEARS.

#181

^this essentially they were proper mates before he turned full right wing shock jock. As an aside I think she also sees it as an inroad to writing pieces about the alt-right whilst being outside of it and to be fair that guardian article is really good.

Another thing is that it seems that she thinks Milo is essentially an agitator as opposed to someone who genuinely believes in the positions he puts forth.

#182

Seems like the whole thing has gone sideways though.

There is a pretty reasonable discussion to be had about the nature and place for stuff like ko-fi, and the merits of this individual journalist. Seems like talking about the latter has dominated the former though.

Oddly enough, my partner (who uses tumblr a lot and has a shitload of followers) yesterday set up a ko-fi page hoping to get a coffee or two. Some people have been super generous which she says is weird but great because it can go towards bills and not eating lentil soup every day for the rest of the month. So I suppose I’m all for it?

#183

yeah, it’s weird that, some people on the internet ARE super generous - I’ve had folks download stuff off my bandcamp page chucking me a tenner for something that’s a ‘name your own price’ & one guy who gave 20 times the asking price for one release 'cos he appreciated what I was doing

it’s nice
still seems weird to us folks s used to the industrial economy but then as I said upthread plenty of young folks these days make literally millions from playing computer games or telling jokes on youtube
¯_(ツ)_/¯

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#184

I think this is the crux of it. A few people are all ‘fuck you’ about it because they don’t like this particular journalist, and have all sort of preconceptions about her lifestyle and background etc.

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