#2058

this settles it, i’m going labour

can’t even ride a bike

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#2059

oh mate green party meeting would be 85% cycle path politics

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#2061

When I was 15 and had no interest in politics I was talking to a fit guy about it for whatever reason and he said he was an anarchist. Sweet naive Pervo: “What party is that?” He was NOT impressed.

Later found out he forced a kiss on his stepsister when they were in their early teens tho so kinda glad I did not impress him

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#2062

An anarchist told me that I was an anarchist organiser. I’m not but it was nice of them to say.

#2063

Think the conversation here might have encouraged me to join Labour – used to get affiliate membership through my union, but let that slide when I changed job and haven’t really got involved again since. Dunno if I’ve really got the energy to do much beyond a bit of campaigning at election time and that, but think the put your money where your mouth stance is a fair one (if you can, ofc.)

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#2064

I had not heard of this but golly it is FASCINATING, thank you.

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#2065

Labour’s not perfect, and the PLP won’t stop being a massive block to progress until Corbyn backs Remain sufficiently but given a.) brexit now looks so dangerous with Boris and b.) nobody believes Labour would leave up in the North anyway he’ll shift at conference and finally, finally we can start giving the posh twats an absolute drubbing

#2066

Remain is a proxy issue to the PLP as certainly as anti-semitism is, and once they’ve forced Corbyn to adopt an out-and-out Remain stance they will find another reason why they cannot under any circumstances support him. They oppose socialism.

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#2067

Hmm… Remain is the issue that the PLP are trying to use to drive a wedge between Corbyn and the membership. It would be something else if that didn’t exist.

#2068

Hard disagree marckee, the labour leave vote is tiny - they know Corbyn would actually increase in popularity with a Remain stance

It’s more to do with staying closer to the capitalist system / EU as parsefone says, they fear socialism without boundaries

#2069

no Leave supporters genuinely think Labour would support brexit anyway, they know that’s not his death knell

#2070

I read Parsefone’s reply as saying the same as mine did! The PLP want Corbyn out because of what he stands for, and they’ll use Brexit as a means of splitting off the membership if they have to.

The Labour leave vote isn’t tiny - like the LibDems and SNP it was around 30% of voters from GE2015, but crucially it’s located in Tory/Lab marginals. I’m not too sure that going hard remain would have that big an impact on polling - while I agree that the Labour Leave vote is stickier than it might be with any other leader, I don’t think there’s a huge dividend to be reaped by aping the LibDems.

#2071

Ah well that’s why I read it differently, because I’m not denying the PLP won’t continue being a pain in the behind but I do genuinely think as Borisgeddon becomes more likely Corbyn will shoot up the polls and that’ll shut them up (at least for now)

#2072

As for those marginals, they’re tricky because of Brexit party as well as the fact nobody believe labour will actually leave

#2073

Genuinely believe the PLP would rather have a hard Boris brexit than Corbyn as a prime minister

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#2075

fuck, a lot has changed since i left :joy:

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#2077

ah, you missed the radicalisation of xylo

#2079

my father’s tank and his father before him

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#2080

I feel that the last four words in this post should be capitalised, like a chapter heading in a Wes Anderson film.

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#2081

or a Mel Gibson directed historical drama film