Kinda feels like there should be a thread on Syria

some updates here guys

god knows how we avoided WW3 when you think of how western media outlets allowed themselves to be suckered repeatedly by propaganda and vampires like samantha power over the last 6 years.

from the nty article:

In December [2016], [Joudeh] said, “Syrians abroad who believe in the revolution would call me and say, ‘We lost Aleppo.’ And I would say, ‘What do you mean?’ It was only a Turkish card guarded by jihadis.” For these exiled Syrians, he said, the specter of Assad’s crimes looms so large that they cannot see anything else. They refuse to acknowledge the realities of a rebellion that is corrupt, brutal and compromised by foreign sponsors. This is true. Eastern Aleppo may not have been Raqqa, where ISIS advertised its rigid Islamist dystopia and its mass beheadings. But as a symbol of Syria’s future, it was almost as bad: a chaotic wasteland full of feuding militias — some of them radical Islamists — who hoarded food and weapons while the people starved.

Alternet is an activist site first and a news source second, and while I know there’s a real dearth of reliable sources here, I’d take it all with a fistful of salt. From what I’ve seen, they take an ‘all Western intervention is imperialism’ approach to their reporting and cherry-pick what they report on (ironically, given that that’s exactly what they’re accusing the press of doing)

tbf rania khalek is a pretty reliable journalist and that article chimes with the NYT one. she’s hardly pro-assad and while he is a cunt, there are more and more accounts emerging everywhere of what life under the various jihadi militias is like. almost all of them contradict the pat narrative of scrappy freedom fighters vs evil government. the YPG, for instance, have uncovered evidence of ethnic cleansing and genocide not just from isis but from the other rebel factions in towns they’ve been liberating.

tbh i don’t care if CNN, the guardian, bbc, whatever, never admit they got suckered/lied. i’m just glad that (so far) we haven’t launched a full on ground invasion of yet another country.

To be fair I don’t think you’re going to struggle to find Syrians who supported the protests at the beginning but are growing increasingly disenchanted by the violence and loss of life that’s resulted since then.

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According to reports, almost all (97 per cent) returned to their own house, 1.8 per cent are living with hosts, 1.4 per cent in abandoned houses, 0.14 per cent in informal settlements and 0.03 per cent in rented accommodation.

Access of returnees to food and household items is 83 per cent and 80 per cent respectively. Access to water (41 per cent) and health services (39 per cent) is dangerously low as the country’s infrastructure has been extremely damaged by the conflict.

what was started as a covert US programme to arm and support the moderate rebels fighting Assad had been co-opted by Turkey, and had morphed into an across-the-board technical, arms and logistical programme for all of the opposition, including Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State. The so-called moderates had evaporated and the Free Syrian Army was a rump group stationed at an airbase in Turkey.’ The assessment was bleak: there was no viable ‘moderate’ opposition to Assad, and the US was arming extremists.

been a while, but i thought this la times article was interesting:

more updates:

useful maps and a solid longread, credit where credit is due to the beeb:

still no end in sight really, another round of peace talks in geneva and a general dwindling of wider interest while the meat grinder clanks on, albeit not as intensely :frowning_face:

Need to read this thread. I did loads of obsessive reading into it all in 2015 during an anxiety episode, but I’ve been pretty ignorant since.

i was looking at a syria before/after picture series on the bbc site. absolutely gutting to see what’s happened over the last 6 years. hope they find some peace soon.

“lowered life expectancy by 20 years”. jesus!

all the stories filtering out are horrifying. how does a country even recover from this? when you look at pictures of the cities, they’re just rubble all the way to the horizon, no infrastructure, so many people uprooted, forced out of their homes…heartbreaking.

clearly rebuilding a country that’s been destroyed to such a point would take ages

as things are currently going, places like Syria could be impossible to live due to rising temperatures via global warming

global warming already played a part in starting the revolution so…

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see this is what’s mad about the war and the coverage. the bbc here, clearly anti-assad/iran/russia. fair enough:

but contained within:

Turkey, which backs the rebels, has called on the government’s allies, Russia and Iran, to halt the offensive.


The escalation in fighting between pro-government forces and rebels led by Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, an al-Qaeda-linked jihadist alliance that dominates Idlib

IDK. madness.

i hope the kurds don’t get fucked in rojava but they always seem to be the sacrificial lamb when it’s diplomacy time. assad has said both that he is willing to negotiate with them and that he wants 100% of syria. difficult to call it.

aleppo last month, getting ready for christmas:

peace conference later in the month:

couple of new and ominous developments…
turkey’s influence is diminished and its jihadi proxys and isis pipeline have been mostly decimated. add that to their pre-existing fascist/ethnostate leanings and it’s looking quite bad, is all this.