#3556

Oh Jeremy Claaaarkson

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#3557

I presume you’re asking about Labour’s performance and not why I left.

Plenty of differences – Boris more formidable than May, Corbyn a dead duck etc. It seems futile and churlish to argue the importance of one over the rest.

Plus, those arguments do not consider the chasm between Labour and the electorate. It’s fucking huge. I am really dispirited, can you tell?

#3558

I don’t think the gap between Corbyn’s proposals and what the public actually want are that insurmountable. Vast amounts of work and money had to be put into delegitimising him to disguise the fact that on a basic level his policies were very popular - so it had to be he personally couldn’t deliver them, he was a bad man etc.

As ever the real work is in bypassing the scumfuck media and political classes and getting to the people with socialist proposals more directly.

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#3559

Obviously

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#3560

See, I still think this is not the way.

That’s the ‘turn the dial and look at the audience’ to see if they approve solution.

I think Labour need to harness what people are doing outside politics. The galvanisation of effort at the start of the pandemic, the food banks and the hyper-local charities continue with or without, and maybe despite, the Labour Party.

It must become a banner for those that want to do things differently, rather than guessing or decreeing what people supposedly want or need (e.g. free broadband, nationalisation of rail).

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#3561

omg where is my radio show where I can share my trenchant insights about things that are massively obvious

edit: not going off at you marcks, just that this trajectory was so blatant and is the endgame of careerists like Chuk UK

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#3562

Aren’t things like the food banks, hyper-local charities etc exactly what parsefone means about direct engagement?

They’re the tools most advocated by the left and the likes of Momentum.

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#3563
#3564

You think I’m disagreeing with you when I agree 100%. Community and grass-roots based activism is exactly how we can involve people in the socialist movement more directly. The left is being pushed out of electoralism, it must find and fill the gaping amount of space outside of it.

#3565

Yeah Edelman and him seem a perfect fit, shame he’ll be off to start his own company in two months, then join a competitor straight after lol

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#3566

and @marckee

Yes, it isn’t clear to me.

In your original post, you talked about connecting people with Labour. I took that to mean ‘we have the policies and principles, now we just need to find the voters’.

Did I get that wrong?

#3567

I was talking more broadly about how you’d approach people with socialist proposals. I don’t think Labour under its current management is particularly interested in that, or if it is it’s not taking suggestions from the likes of us. I think if we are going to have any effect on the party at this point, it will be through having a powerful enough outside social movement that it can’t ignore our demands.

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#3568

Then I wish you all the best. The merits and demerits of today’s leadership isn’t something I am interested in

#3569

surely the turn the dial thing is mostly aimed at the centrists/sensibles

nationalise natural monopolies, build social housing, raise tax on the richest

that’s what people on the left have been saying for years, and those ideas have always polled well when they don’t have the label of a political party

there’s no dial turning required - that’s when you have a flimsy proposal that’s been tuned to specific demographics

#3570

I came across some of this stuff for a while in a previous job.

A major music label has a segment for obsessive fans (and frequent buyers) of indie music called “All Tomorrow’s Playlisters” which I really hoped was a reference to the life work of Mr Barry Hogan.

#3571

Probably more likely a reference to the VU song that Hogan was referencing, no?

#3572

Yes, probably, but I hoped it was otherwise

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#3573

can this be real

#3574

labour playing piano?

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#3575

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I mean… if ever there was a budget focused on jobs, jobs, jobs, then it was this one. The only thing missing would be sector specific furlough extensions for businesses and contractors if still unable to reopen/work beyond September (e.g. performing arts)

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