#2289

^this

until some point in the future, when they quietly stop talking about it and say “well I never really wanted to leave”.

#2290

Centrists now after every PMQs vs centrists when they see the polls in 12 months

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#2291

I’ve noticed a few of my centrist friends absolutely gushing over his past few performances, and I just can’t see it

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#2292

So have I, and I just assume these people have totally forgotten the 2010/2015 elections because they clearly have

#2293

Someone in my local Lab group said he’s surged ahead of Boris in the polls? But I can’t find anything…

#2295

Ah ok cool

#2296

He’s got decent approval rating right now, because the papers haven’t started going full-on ‘he’s a dirty paedo-lover’ yet (and because he does’t have the PLP whinging about him daily)

#2297

My mum mentioned someone on Facebook sharing this (about the Rotherham(?) case) today actually. So it might pick up again :frowning:

#2298

Seen a couple posts about the Saville case on Facebook from family members - imagine it will start growing.

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#2299

Can someone remind me again - what did Keir actually say/do in those cases? Was it a matter of his hands being tied or was he like ‘nah cba’

Like I genuinely can’t imagine it being the latter, you know?

#2300

He was the chief prosecutor when some of the cases against Saville were dropped, on grounds of insufficient evidence. The idea he went out of his way to drop them is exactly the kind of baseless inane dribblings that’d gain traction in the right wing echo chamber.

#2301

There were four claims against Savile passed to the CPS in 2009, and I think that’s when he was interviewed by police, but they never went further. Don’t think there’s any evidence it was Starmer’s decision, but he apologised ‘on behalf of the CPS’ a few years later about how they were handled, think that’s the main thing tying him to it, but I might be wrong

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#2302

The facts of the matter will be irrelevant, Keir Starmer will be the Stalinist guy who let a load of child molesters/terrorists off the hook/out of jail early

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#2303

I think it’d be tricky to paint him as too lefty like Corbyn, he’ll probably be painted as a elitist liberal remoaner

#2304

Cheers you and @Ruffers

cw: racism What about the Rotherham case? Obv there’s a lot more racism powering this one, basically saying him and his legal wizardry led to girls being abused by Muslim men

@kiyonemakibi Yeah I know, I just wanted to know whether it’s outright bullshit or whether he is actually indefensible, 'scuse the pun

#2305

Yeah, this is key. As chief prosecutor he had to act on whether there was sufficient evidence for prosecution, to justify a case being brought at the taxpayer’s expense. It wasn’t a reflection of whether Keir thought Saville (or whoever) was guilty - the fact we now all know for def he was, and there’s now plenty of evidence to that effect, doesn’t change that.

No surprise that that nuance (or, you know “accuracy”) will be lost when the slur is spread by the right wing press and shithouse Tories,

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#2306

My understanding is it’s much the same - the CPS decided not to proceed with the first case in 2008, when just one victim had come forward, then it was reopened when more did. Again there’s no evidence it was his decision, he was just in charge at the time.

The de Menezes and Ian Tomlinson cases are (or should be) more problematic for him really because they were high profile at the time and he would have presumably had more involvement, but these are less likely to be picked up by angry right-wing Facebook

#2307

Also, in response to accusations from the left (usually Momentum types) that his work at the CPC went after ‘benefits cheats’ in a very targeted and Tory way:

  • the actual cases were brought in response to criminal gangs trafficking or coercing vulnerable individuals to game the system. Large scale organised crime stuff.

  • though he admitted that and his team made a big mistake in how they communicated with the media - they hadn’t given due consideration that the press would tie this in to their bullshit hate campaign against ‘scroungers’.

#2308

If only there were umpteen records documenting successive right wing politicians cosying up to Saville throughout history :thinking:

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#2309

Maybe but then they called Miliband Red Ed, everyone to the left of Genghis Khan is a communist to these people. As you say they may just stick to the Remoaner Metropolitan Elite stuff