#3538

Sorry

#3539

Loaned out wastemen

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#3540

stupid, stupid cunt

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#3541

First draft of UB40 lyrics needed some editing to be more radio-friendly

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#3542

Nuts readers with record collections*

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#3544

Thatcher had Basildon man before Blair

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#3545

big fan of the worcester woman myself

#3548

Kind of fascinating that Essex became such a battle ground, I guess a lot has been written about it over the years, really enjoyed this a few years back:

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#3549

Binned

But two years ago. It makes me massively out of step with the rest of you in this thread, I know

To add to this, and to keep myself consistent, there’s far bigger challenges for the Labour movement right now than right and left, Corbyn, sensibles and whatever else.

It’s doomed if it doesn’t somehow reconnect with voters. Their didn’t do that at the election and the struggle is monumental. Fair play to those that remain optimistic. I’m nowhere near that

#3550

Somebody mentioned a few (hundred) posts ago that they have friends who are like mad defensive of Starmer. My family are like this, like just turbo devoted to him and thinks everything he’s done in right and he’s made no mistakes and he’s definitely appealing to the right people. I think it’s a case of being sick of losing elections, they just think this guy has to be the right one and he will get the Tories out after 15 orrible years. It’s a bit like climate change denial; there’s a bad thing which is definitely going to get us all and you have no control over it, so you just decide the bad thing definitely isn’t actually happening and you’re right. Much less stressful.

#3551

Waiting for them to appeal to ‘Cardiff Fan’

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#3552

Out of interest, what do you think was different between 2017 and 2019?

#3553

I forgot to ask my dad what he thought

#3554

Tiny Dancer

#3555

Love to hear positive noises about the leadership from (checks notes) Jeremy Clarkson

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#3556

Oh Jeremy Claaaarkson

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#3557

I presume you’re asking about Labour’s performance and not why I left.

Plenty of differences – Boris more formidable than May, Corbyn a dead duck etc. It seems futile and churlish to argue the importance of one over the rest.

Plus, those arguments do not consider the chasm between Labour and the electorate. It’s fucking huge. I am really dispirited, can you tell?

#3558

I don’t think the gap between Corbyn’s proposals and what the public actually want are that insurmountable. Vast amounts of work and money had to be put into delegitimising him to disguise the fact that on a basic level his policies were very popular - so it had to be he personally couldn’t deliver them, he was a bad man etc.

As ever the real work is in bypassing the scumfuck media and political classes and getting to the people with socialist proposals more directly.

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#3559

Obviously

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#3560

See, I still think this is not the way.

That’s the ‘turn the dial and look at the audience’ to see if they approve solution.

I think Labour need to harness what people are doing outside politics. The galvanisation of effort at the start of the pandemic, the food banks and the hyper-local charities continue with or without, and maybe despite, the Labour Party.

It must become a banner for those that want to do things differently, rather than guessing or decreeing what people supposedly want or need (e.g. free broadband, nationalisation of rail).

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