#5745

i’m kind of in agreement that getting lost in the weeds on cultural issues is a dead end (depending what they mean by “cultural issues”), but they’re adamantly opposed to discussing class or economics too, so where does that leave them?

#5746

We did, but we didn’t do it early or hard enough - Cameron lost his vote in 2013 and Obama was forced to work with Putin on a deal to disarm Assad’s regime.

(Note that Obama himself has since come around to the view that it was the right call as the proposed airstrikes wouldn’t have achieved anything.)

#5747

Yeah they published another Blue Labour soundbite piece this week as well.

Really bleak that the best answer anyone apparently has is that dril tweet with the racism dial.

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#5748

They voted for Brexit, having decided that everything they didn’t like in the world could at least partly be attributed to immigration and some kind of nebulous foreign influence. Once people are in that mindset, it is very difficult to persuade them otherwise. The Labour approach seems to be ‘let’s not bother’.

#5749

Particularly from opposition, as it seems the easiest way for people to let go of this kind of thinking is a real-term and perceived improvement to living standards which when we look into even the near future, just ain’t happening.

#5750

Was trying to remember stuff from after the 2015 election and found this

An inability to deal with “issues of connection” like immigration and benefits.

The study also found that leftwing policies – such as the energy price freeze, and greater potential to bring railways back into public ownership – were some of the most popular put forward by Miliband, but that there was a lack of a coherent overall narrative.

Good to see how much progress has been made in the last five years eh :no_mouth:

#5751

Probably a fair summary of the 2019 manifesto as well, albeit for different reasons.

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#5752

There’s a link in there to Jon Cruddas’ independent report on 2015, which talks about much the same thing but in a different way - that the British supported a at ring degree of economic radicalism but in a fiscally conservative way. A lot of that will be the extent to which Osbourne hammered home the “national credit card” thing, but I suspect it won’t have gone away.

#5753

Weird typo, this:

it’s actully “an at ring degree of economic radicalism”, m9.

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#5754

feels like a trap

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#5755

sigh

#5756

This is where we are now

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#5757

How good are you at management speak?

#5758

Jonny Morris is a Labour councillor, btw

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This one:

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#5759

Honestly mate you’ll make yourself ill

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#5760

Good mini thread this

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#5761

Good article; is the Morning Star alright? I’ve always just associated with the SWP, but I realise that’s probably incorrect on several levels.

#5762

I don’t think they’ve rowed back on their TERF-y tendency, and they stood by the SWP rape apologists too.

#5763

Not sure where to start with this. LibDems not supporting Tory policies, or saying that they’d go into government with the Tories over Labour would be one place.

#5764

Cat’s out of the bag wrt how to handle the Lib Dems though isn’t it: promise them you’ll definitely introduce PR, win the election, refuse to introduce PR. See, Cameron was good for one thing at least.