#850

Can’t believe we had however many defections and the century’s worst electoral wipeout and we still have to put up with Wes fucking Streeting.

#851

I was being partially flippant, but you’re right all the same. So I apologise

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#852

TBF I have lost all sense of humour at this point : )

#853

DiS quiz question: What do asita and a Keir Starmer monologue have in common?

#854

I think it’s difficult to show people the merits of progression through collectivist action (public schemes, etc) when we’ve seen so little of it in the recent past. It does feel like fewer and people and places speak of pride for their transport networks, museums, voluntary schemes etc. The places that do have these are usually already metropolitan, so it only really serves to divide these communities from Lisa Nandy’s Towns ™. As such so much of what is considered success is seen through the prism of wealth and ownership.

#855

Can I just say neeerrrrrddddsssss

(still voting RLB obvs although you know it’s bad when Keir has the least worst take)

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#856

Political science is fucking garbage though and can literally be used to prove anything. We’ve already established this.

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#857

Jfc ‘garbage’, I’ve spent too much time reading American tweets.

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#858

Does Nandy actually have any ideas or is she just going to waffle about how being left wing is Very Bad Indeed

#859

Starting to wonder if she’s playing that game where she remains just about ambiguous enough for people to project whatever they want onto her.

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#860

What does that mean, ‘wasn’t for people’. Everything Corbyn ever did was for people. You can argue that his methods weren’t up to scratch or he was misguided, but he has spent his entire life trying to stand up for people, that’s why he spent most of it on the outskirts fighting the powerful interests that want to grind them into bloody pulp. Rach here clapping like a fucking seal to this forceful gibberish.

Find this whole thing so depressing, so intractable the things that I find it really hard to engage with it.

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#861

I’m leaning more and more toward RLB now I think

#862

Nationalising rail and broadband for the bloody Oxbridge elite again

#863

The simple answer is that from a certain perspective Corbyn, and what people perceive as ‘hard’ left politics in general, appears to be for ideological causes first rather than people. You’re right that he’s spent his whole life campaigning for people against oppressive systems but he’s done it very much through the prism of structured left wing ideology which a significant block of voters are inherently skeptical about. This is why RLB is trying the Patriotic Socialism/Aspirational Socialism line - because socialism alone does not engage these people, though there are significant problems with this approach too.

To be clear, it is absolutely unfair that JC is viewed the way that he is and Nandy could be a lot more reasonable about it but to do so undermines the bounce that his successor gets or her value as a conduit to those voters that distrusted Corbyn. There’s a reason the Tories eat every former leader immediately after they sack them and only deify them later - because there is no strategic advantage in being nice to someone who failed.

#864

This will also be the reason why Starmer won’t backtrack on his Brexit position. Since Brexit has already happened and the only capital to be gained from it now is to highlight the damage it’s doing, the only effect of repenting over past positions would be to highlight him “being wrong” and make him complicit in whatever goes tits up from here on.

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#865

As far as the deputy election is concerned: Voting for Butler simply in the hopes of pissing off the worst people I’m aware of. Don’t care if it’s petty. Being petty has won Tory voters everything they ever dreamed of.

#866

Saw someone today (that rubbish Dr Moderate Twitter guy) genuinely trying to argue that Starmer is more charismatic than RLB.

Like, you can defend him in many areas, and attack her in lots of others, and obviously charisma means different things to different people, but… REALLY? Come off it.

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#867

It’s the haircut. It’s doing things to people’s brains.

#868

Everyone I know irl talks about Starmer as if he’s Brad Pitt stuck in Elvis’s body

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#869

The Master’s Voice. All there is to it.