Hello

Trying the freelancing at the moment myself - it is really hard to keep it together when the work is not coming in!
Where are you based?

You need to sell yourself better. Promote yourself with confidence!

I actually got some design work from people who found me on LinkedIn, which surprised me.

Also, there’s an employment agency called Dagmar Tara who specialise in design for print, typesetting, abd that kind of thing. They are good at matching people’s skills with the right kind of work. They do full time jobs as well as one off projects, fixed term jobs and temporary work. When I was between full time jobs they found me a bunch of short term and temporary jobs that were perfect for me and then got me the perfect full time role when it came along.

But write your CV and your LinkedIn etc as if you believe in yourself. None of that “not awful” business.

Also I have found it really hard and demoralising to get work in, I think it takes a good while for it to build up, I’ve somewhat fluked getting a couple of clients who are somewhat regular, really through people I know then anything to do with my skills, and that’s just about keeping me going, with a few other bits and pieces that seem to organically come up. I think I’ve had one bit of work through freelance job boards and things like that.
Not much advice really appart from it can just flip over night so keep that in mind if it feels imposdible, I didn’t have anything at for about three months at the end of last year ‘ beginning of this year and then suddenly I had too much on. So it is swings and roundabouts!

Also - and people (and you) might disagree with this, but I’m not sure the music and poetry stuff helps on your site, might (probably unfairly) imply you are a bit of a jack of all trades. Hope you don’t take offence to that at all! :stuck_out_tongue:

I think there might be some wisdom in this; I once got turned down for a camera op job and in the feedback they said I was trying to sell myself on such a broad range of skills that they were concerned I might be a charlatan (not in a bad way, just in the sense of, it would help you in future applications if you isolated your skills and focused on those that apply for the role you are going for).

Likewise I know a guy who’s successful as both a photographer and a session musician and he has completely different websites for both and that works very well for him. I even know a wedding videographer who has three (!) separate companies/websites for the same exact thing, re-branded aesthetically for different budgets and price brackets. Sounds laborious but it is wise to think about how you present yourself as a business.

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Yeah it’s a tricky one. I’ve never had trouble getting a full time job, for some reason, I’m just not sure the best way to get work on the side.

The music side of my site gets me a lot of gigs, and the poems helped sell all my books. I definitely can’t afford to run three sites, I’ve tried that before and it cripples me. This one is part of my Adobe subscription. I’ve had a bit of work in BECAUSE everything’s in one place (for example a band have wanted me for a job, and I’ve ended up doing their website too), so it has its advantages.

And @anon35496508, obviously I attempt to sell myself a bit more in other situations :slightly_smiling_face: That was a phrase especially for you guys.

I’ll check out some of the links above when I get home tonight. Thanks for all the help.

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When I’ve worked in places they have quite liked that I can do lots of different design type things, but when I’ve gone for freelance stuff I often think they would be more comfortable with a specialist in the exact thing they want sorting out than a generalist.

I think just telling everyone you meet that you are freelancing should help pick up bits and pieces, I’ve got work through friends of friends just through just being In someone’s mind when someone else mentions they are looking for someone to do something or other.
Keep plugging away and stuff will come in!

I imagine it’s a pretty cutthroat industry, and don’t know how you’re set in terms of equipment, but i’d be tempted to put a bit more time i to the photography side if you can. They’re really good. Have you approached venues and promoters direct to offer your services? How much adhoc work do you get from that?

I’ve literally never made money from or done any work as a photographer. It’s a nice idea though, although I don’t even have a camera.

This is really important, and not necessarily as difficult or awkward as you might think. I’ve been on and off freelancing for about 5 years now (often finding myself in the same kind of financial situation that you’re describing), and although I’m in a different field than you are (I mostly write about films and help organise film events and do some talks and so on) some things are the same or at least very similar when it comes to running your business etc.

Try to think if you were to hire someone for whatever kind of job, no matter how big or small – you obviously wouldn’t want someone who was clearly just bragging and being full of themselves. But at the same time you would never hire someone who didn’t make it clear what they’re good at and what specific kinds of things they can do. Just have a look through your own work, see what you’re satisfied with on your own account and also what you’ve gotten good feedback on from others. And even if no specific feedback as such, just things you keep getting hired for or asked to do. Then you can say that “I am good at x and y” in a very matter of factly way, rather than feeling like you have to exaggerate or anything. And I don’t know how much you’ve done of this in the past, but like, it will always feel a bit awkward to begin with. But then it just becomes routine, and you can start to think of it less of you as a person and more in terms of the services that you’re providing, if that makes sense.

It also can feel very awkward at first getting in touch with people or companies to ask if they need any of the services that you can provide. But as your network expands and you get more and more experience to show for, it just stops feeling weird at some point. Because you also kind of realise that it’s just what you have to do, and that any company who ever hires freelancers are completely used to people just contacting them more or less out of the blue – so they won’t think it’s weird.

I think that @chris-budget is probably onto something as well, when he mentions that you should (when presenting yourself and your work) focus on your specialties. Goes back to what I was saying with being able to pinpoint what you’re best at, I guess. And other things that you’re good at will just be a bonus. And if running different websites as you say is too much for you, then at least make sure that your current website is split into very easily visible sections. And don’t put quotation marks around “poet” in your header, or do headlines like “some poems”. Fake it til you make it is actually a pretty golden piece of advice, even if it is a cliché – at least in terms of confidence! If you are going to have all your different stuff on one site, then just be like “I am also a poet” and “Here are my poems”. Might sound like a detail, but I really think this kind of thing changes how people read the actual content!

@chris-budget also has a very very good point in “just telling everyone you meet that you are freelancing”. Most freelance gigs won’t ever be listed publicly.

Hope this makes sense and all (and sorry if some stuff is really obvious to you etc), it’s the middle of the night and I’ve had a few drinks. As I said we do work in different fields… But if you fancy a chat about freelance work in general and so on, you’re very welcome to drop me a message.

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When I was sending out CVs etc for full time jobs, no one received the same CV as someone else. Certain things were highlighted better depending on the particular focus of the company that I was applying to.

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Haha, Some Poems is literally the name of my book.

All great advice. This website was never set up to get me freelance work, and it’s done the job of getting me permenant roles, gigs and selling books, so I just need to strike a balance.

@xylo I think you’re right, I’ll have a look at rejigging the order. Annoyingly, the best design work I’ve done can’t be publicised.

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can you have a little ‘clients i’ve worked for bit’ that lists and associates you with some of the stuff / clients you can not publicise? would anyone object to that?

Hahah! I actually do like it as a book title :smiley:

@anon35496508 Yeah, I have three different CV setups that I can further tweak for specific jobs: One for film work, one for other types of editorial work, and one just «general» (not very often I use the latter by this point). I also got a bunch of solid CV advice in a thread I started a couple of months back, which is worth looking into for anyone unsure about their CVs.

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