#83

“Took the money” = anti-semitism. He played Israel because he felt a connection with the place. While also reiterating support for the Palestinian cause. Would you say an artist “took the money” playing any other rich European or North American country?

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#84

Cowardice would be succumbing to the pressure to boycott despite not feeling comfortable with it. Much easier for musicians not to play a small country isolated from other touring markets and stay on board with the ‘cool kids’

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#85

No.

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#86

Are rich European and North American countries in comparable breech of international law and subject to similar boycotts?

#87

My specific problem was with the phrase “took the money”. From what Cave has said it is not about money. Assuming so is very problematic in the context of historic antisemitism.

I understand if musicians and consumers want to boycott a government with a terrible human rights record.

For me, however, wars started by US and UK could also justify a boycott. They are not small nations populated by refugees in a complicated permanent state of semi-war. Israel is a diverse place and isolating the liberal creative and academic communities in that country will only feed the more ugly nationalistic, religious extremist side IMO.

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#88

I could see how it can be inaccurate to assume Cave’s position was based on money rather than beliefs, don’t see how being wrong about that equates to anti-semitism, or to think he is wrong regardless

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#89

sorry but calling me anti-semitic for that turn of phrase is a bit of a stretch and i resent it too much to bother engaging with anything else you said. fuck off.
btw, yes, someone above used the phrase ‘take the money’ in relation to Interpol playing with Morrissey.

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#90

Glad to get out of a protracted argument on here. Just feel like an awareness of that turn of phrase is necessary in these kinds of discussions at the moment. Later.

#91

Interpol man seems to be making a decent go of it:

We thought it would be a good show for our band. That’s how I’m looking at it. I don’t get too much into the other stuff.

Must be nice, feeling like racism and politics are just optional extras in life that you can simply disregard if you want, there’s no danger to you or your lifestyle

Obvs Moz can get fucked, so can Cave, and to a lesser extent so can Interpol man and Q&A context twat

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#92

Interpol are thinking about their own career

Cave said he felt like a coward not playing Israel despite his connection to the country. He did it for the Israeli fans and his own sense of what is right.

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#93

Only doing it for the money, you might say

#94

Where do Interpol store all their money?

In Paul Banks :drum:

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#96

Can only assume someone would have chucked the milkshake over the fascist prick and the oh sees got splashback.

#97

The Melbourne one we went to wasn’t insufferable but there were a number of performative fans plus, naturally, a set of people who’d also suffered terrible tragedy who wanted to be heard.

Edit - utterly understandable the latter were there but obviously it was tough going yo hear some of that side of things.

Overall was great though

#98

Hmmmmm…

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#99

If he wants to shrug his shoulders and say Morissey’s politics are Morrissey’s business then fine. That last paragraph seems makes no sense in that context though - if you abhor all these things why are you working with someone who is at the very least using their platform to promote many of them?

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#100

nice band aid

#101

Going to be a useful thing to show people when they ask “what does centrist dad actually mean”?

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#102

In many ways, it’s more prejudiced and intolerant to refuse to tour with someone just because they say very racist things

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