New Brexit thread? (This is the new Brexit thread with added hysteria)

The old one is now too long for newbs to engage with I fear.

The situation reflects the wider surreal turns the world has taken methinks. Someone on here said we’re in a new political world now but I think it’s more than mere politics. I can’t recall a situation where this many people have been in this much denial, happy to be in denial, and positively frothing at the mouth even though they won and anyone speaking out against Brexit publicly is almost invariably savaged. There’s such anger and hatred at play, but what they voted for wasn’t to smash the corrupt system or take back control; they voted for the status quo, if we accept the status quo is a cabal of corrupt and unaccountable people with huge power over the little guy. They’ve merely voted to shift that power from one place to another, with added poverty, inequality, racism, chauvanism, etc.

Is it as simple as a lot of the leavers knowing they done fucked up but not wanting to admit it? That they secretly know they were led up the garden path by the rich, the vested, the connect - by the very kinds people they thought they were voting against? Could it be so simple? IDK mates.

It’s probably problematic to call the attitude of Brexiteers schizophrenic, but it really is. Most obvious example is the way they harp on about Brexit being democracy in action before hysterically shrieking about the court case, tripping over themselves to ignore the huge social, economic and environmental problems we’ll all soon face with already-weak regulation of big business now prepped and ready for the pyre. And telling remain voters they lost so they should now be quiet forever doesn’t do much for the ‘we love democracy honest guv’ arguments…

I promised myself I was going to stay away from the news bcos of personal/mental health stuff but I caught Question Time by accident the other night and I am now sure we are on a deathmarch towards fascism or even worse. Again, the attitude of the leavers was really peculiar. One guy claimed to be a primary school teacher and prefaced his comment by saying he hates racism and fascism before going on to gibber uncontrollably about kids who don’t speak English and how this makes him uncomfortable. Another guy said he’s sick of hearing about the 48% and if this had been a GE it would have been a landslide so…shut the fuck up I guess?

In a way, they have the perfect argument; if by some miracle it goes well, we remainers were all cunts for naysaying and it will allow more poison to fill the spaces in the picture where things like basic human decency should be. If it goes wrong, we’re the ones at fault for not being on board, for empathising more with Johnny Foreigner than our fellow Brits, etc. The extremist views and behaviour will increase either way, but I really worry about what’ll happen to our friends from the EU and elsewhere when it likely goes tits up and everybody winds up skint and full of resentment. Then they came for me, etc.

The leavers put me in mind of a suicidal person, in a dazed or fugue like state, gazing with dark, awestruck fascination at the shotgun they’re loading. The nihilism of it all is quite creepy. Or the Springfielders burning down the observatory so a comet will never hit the Earth again.

The terminology it’s created is fucking cringeworthy and embarrassing too - Brexit, remoaners, cards on the table, best deal for Britain, etc.

The collapse is here. Follow the buzzards, etc.

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I think i’m over Brexit and Trump now.

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yeah actually i feel spent after typing all that.

so…been gaming lately?

I feel quite similiar to this. The best I’m at is forgetting about it, but then when I’m properly reminded I get really angry all over again.

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What’s going to realllllly irk me is when it goes tits up brexiteers are going to find all the excuses in the world - “we didn’t negotiate hard enough…yes, the next 5-10 years might be tough, but in the long term! The world economies were heading south anyway!”

Agree with everything you’ve said. I don’t think leavers actually think things will be bad. They have been fed a stream of lies by the right wing press and people like Farage, Johnson et al…and they’ve sucked up every word of it.

And as I said in the other thread, it’s arrogance (“the EU needs us”) and ignorance (“just replace the EU market with Peru. EASY”, “the EU makes all our laws”) that feeds into this.

And yep, exactly as has been said, when it all goes wrong…and it will, it will be something else at fault…not that it was a stupid idea in the first place.

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We were bound to end up engaging in human sacrifice again at some point you fucking liberal elite remoaners! Get real! Tough choices!

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It’s inevitable they’ll find a scapegoat and rewrite history accordingly. The fear is who, and how their fake grievance will manifest.

What amazes me is the lack of people actually standing up and saying ‘guys, this is a stupid idea. It should not happen’.

It’s only Tony Blair AFAIK. (There are others, but they are on the fringes and not in the public eye.)

The rest like Tim Farron are saying at most, there should be a second referendum on the terms and conditions.

Is this a BreThreadxit?

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i’m a pretty positive person, i’m also a very analytical person

in the short term, i’m very positive about the future, i’m very very lucky with where i am in the world

in the long term though, i can’t see the problems that society faces being sorted in any way at all, and it worries me to the very depths of my existence

i think we will see unimaginably terrible things happen over the next few decades

David Cameron deserves to be flayed alive

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Red, White & Blue
What does it mean to you?

To me it means Brexit, which means Brexit.

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Roses are Red, Violets are Blue,
Ping Pong balls are white,
And Brexit times two.

Ultimately the EU (and its institutions) caused this issue, and that’s where the majority of the blame should lie for Brexit. They absolutely refused to discuss any sense of reform, and ran roughshod over the citizens of any country that dared to vote against them in a referendum - making them vote again until they got the ‘right’ answer. And that’s before you look at them never getting their accounts signed off by auditors etc.

They got complacent and felt they were untouchable, with no need to have any sense of accountability to the people. This was basically a pressure cooker that was always going to blow eventually. They had many opportunities to show some humility, lift the lid a little and let out some steam, but they chose not to.

My own view is that a referendum in the UK was inevitable at some stage as the issue of self-determination is too important to be brushed aside and forgotten, but could never be resolved without a public vote. If the EU institutions had shown even a little willingness to compromise the vote could have been won.

I voted remain (for social rather than economic reasons) and i’m not happy with the result, but I don’t really blame Farage or Cameron or Corbyn. To turn ire on them is to misplace it. Brexit is the EU’s fault.

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mate, moker’s in town.

You’re gonna have to up your game.

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Oh, look who’s back. 2016 delivers its final blow.

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Again, most pollsters either had Leave ahead or were in the realms of too-close to call. Only Comres, Populus and ORB were significantly wrong. The problem with the referendum was one of the media distorting what the polls were telling them overall by preferring the ones that fitted their own world view rather than the polls themselves being wrong.

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