Negotiations have begun!
Looking forward to the leaks
Wonder what the biscuit selection is like.
On the British side: Rich Teas (slightly out of date)
On the EU side: everything else
As long as someone’s put some wee selections of jam next to ours it’ll be reet.
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If only Corbyn was invited to talks to show off his jam skillz. Barnier wouldn’t stand a chance!
EU: Der Schokoladenhobnob ist ein weit überbewertetes Keks
UK: ALL DEALS ARE OFF!
UK: We can be like Switzerland
Switzerland: The UK are “THE LAUGHING STOCK OF EUROPE”
This coming from the right wing of a country who chose to opt out of the EU themselves says something.
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The difference in openness and transparency between the EU27 and DExEU is astonishing.
I think they’re just hoping that the press will help them bluff their way through it and that the public doesn’t cotton on.
Heh.
She probably voted Leave
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Thoughts on this?
Found out one of my ATDs is a Lexiter at the weekend. While I would never have voted for anything that took on such a racist weight as Brexit did, a Brexit under Corbyn might not be that bad and could even be… good in the long run? I absolutely still think it will be very bad in the short term, mind.
Idk what do you think. Inb4 ‘Hi Moker’ etc.
Leaving the EU remains a spectacularly bad idea matter, regardless of who the leader is who ultimately takes us out.
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Off the top of my head:
- The chances of a left wing brexit seem very silm with the nature of uk politics.
- Would we have all the benefits we have now for such a small price? Very doubtful.
- Chances of the EU giving us the ‘preferential access’ lexiters want - slim to none.
Lexiters annoy me even more then brexiters cos they should know better tbh.
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And (even if you buy the anti-democratic argument), we’re replacing an anti-democratic brake on the excesses of our right-wing parties with an anti-democratic system that is geared to supporting the excesses of our right-wing parties.
Lexit remains a fundamentally ridiculous idea until there’s any serious reform of the Westminster system.
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(Incidentally, @colonel_getafe, apologies if this comes across as dismissive of what you say- it’s a pretty seductive article and there are a few possible silver linings to Brexit such as intervention in the economy becoming simpler, I think it just makes too many assumptions on the lines that @NickDS calls out and ignores the massive elephant in the room of how bad our own system is.)
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Also I can’t get behind the maths of how 40% popular vote share for Labour in 2017 (vs 42% for the Conservatives) + 52% popular vote share for Brexit in 2016 = LET’S GET LEXITING.
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Whilst this is true, you look across the continent and think… well if we had the Spanish model of healthcare provision… and the German models of both taxation and trade unions… and the French models of state ownership of infrastructure/utilities… then we’d be a much better country. Oh and all of those things exist happily within the EU. We’re constrained on those matters by BEING THE UK, not by being in the EU.
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Yeah this bit is annoying. First the strange ‘if you’re anti brexit but voted labour = you’re stupid cos you don’t realise JC is pro-brexit’ is a a bit of a annoying dig. Second yeah a lot of people those people would regard a Labour-negotiated exit as preferable but that doesn’t mean desirable.
‘Some commentators assume Labour’s pro-EU voters have not realised its leadership in reality loathes the EU. But why premise your second-guessing of party supporters on stupidity? Perhaps even those certain that Brexit is a disaster would regard a Labour-negotiated exit as preferable.’
Oh, for sure. As I said, “simpler” not “it makes it possible”. My current favourite example is that we’ve got a model of regional metro rail that’s proven to be better in at least some cases than the franchising default in London Overground and our current government are resistant to even considering extending that model on purely ideological grounds.
My point is more along the lines of over-emphatic analysis of what both a) Labour’s result in 2017 and b) the EU referendum result actually means. On point a) Labour still lost the popular vote and on point b) the result was divisive and not decisive.
Or to put it another way, the UK is now seen by some as Sunny Socialism Island when 12 months ago it was Rainy Fascism Island. As always - it’s commmplicated.
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