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#321

If you’re going to state your opinion as fact I’m going to do the same. I’m not even trying to be contrarian. I genuinely believe Boxer is just Alligator with weaker songs and have done since it’s release. It’s not bad (I’d give it an 8/10) but Alligator is one of fav albums of all time.


#322

Yeh, sorry - still, their back-catalogue is big enough they might mix it up each night. One hopes…


#323

I did use the customary safety wink to indicate I knew you were being genuine. Another argument we’ll have to agree to disagree upon…I don’t doubt your own conviction but I’m happy that more than 50% of National fans would agree with my position.


#324

Nah not that crazy a suggestion, Boxer is my least favourite of the last four albums, Alligator my favourite (not including the new album yet, still reserving judgement). Which isn’t to say it’s bad, I love it when I listen to it, I just think the others are better.


#325

As ever I’ll squirm my way out of this argument by referring to rateyourmusic.com. Boxer on 4.85/5 and Alligator 4.83. Very similar but Boxer has around 3,000 extra votes; both on over 6000.

Tbf I can understand people putting Alligator above Boxer. Saying Boxer is 4th is just silly.


#326

The way I see it that’s just 3,000 people who havent heard Alligator and therefore don’t realize Boxer is just a weaker Alligator :stuck_out_tongue:


#327

That almost seems like you’re saying “why listen to Boxer when you can have Alligator”. I mean, they’re both excellent albums in their own right


#328

Nah I’m saying if they heard Alligator the songs on Boxer wouldn’t have the same impact. I still listen to Boxer yo it’s a good album :smiley:


#329

They played Mr November in Copenhagen I’m sure


#330

Yep:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-national/2017/refshalevej-copenhagen-denmark-3e50547.html


#331

Boxergator > the more recent ones > the early ones


#332

Turtleneck two cents -

Nothing wrong with The National doing an indie rock banger. Really think latter albums have lacked songs like Abel, Mr November, Lit Up. Just happens this is just not a very good attempt at it.

Dunno what people are hearing in the rest of it, washes over me tbh. I think there’s a strong argument that every album has been worse than the last since Alligator

(personal, right-place, right-time affectation for High Violet notwithstanding but Boxer and Alligator are probably better albums)


#333

I think we all need time for the dust to settle because the idea that this album is worse than TWFM (stodgy, meandering, largely one-paced…yet still somehow half-decent) is confusing me.


#334

It’s better than TWFM which I could never get into, however the final two tracks prevent it from getting anywhere near their top three albums.


#335

It’s their best album since Alligator


#336

Pretty much this - for the first half I’m like “this is fantastic, could be up there with their best,” then it gets very patchy in the second half


#337

i think High Violet is probably the most consistent. i like Boxer a lot but it’s a bit up and down between great songs and dull ones. i haven’t listened to Alligator in a while so can’t quite remember how it compares.


#338

it’s weird that they don’t play Mistaken for Strangers these days, surely they know it’s their best song by miles and miles.


#339

I think the second half has some of their best material and the last song is pretty stunning.


#340

Yeah, that three song stretch of I’ll Still Destroy You, Guilty Party, and Carin at the Liquor Store is the highlight of the album for me.