#1915

Sounds like a great regime to do maybe twice a year at strategic points to give your metabolism a kick. Agree it’s not sustainable- I got chatting with one of the trainers in the gym this afternoon (he’s touting for my business since he learned I’d parted company with my PT) and he was saying that lots of his clients have been doing keto with great results but he’s worried long term about the pressure it puts on your body to exercise hard without an accessible carb supply to burn. Which is kind of the whole point of keto, but I do think he has a point. My best workouts are where I’ve had something like a banana an hour before and the ones where I leave headachey, feeling faint and a bit blue are where with hindsight I’ve been burning through fresh air.

It’s interesting that given the opportunity you didn’t go straight for a triple carb lasagne garlic bread and chips! Maybe you’ve reset the bar a bit in terms of what carbs you crave.

#1916

Doing 35g was way easier than 100g as the way your body works on it is completely different, so don’t base your opinion on that. I think the reason I’ve cracked is that I was away for a few days and unable to cook/weigh things and think I went back up towards 100g.

#1917

dunno, just seem to be less hungry since I’ve cut the carbs :man_shrugging:

#1918

My PT kept expressing surprise at how much I was able to do on low carbs but as you say that’s the whole point of it, you start using an alternative fuel source. Other than the first two days I felt either the same as before or more energy/better endurance. What I need to do now is figure out how to work in what I’ve learnt into a longer term thing. It’s definitely reinforced what I suspected, that gluten products aren’t that great for me.

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#1919

Oh right I didn’t read what you said properly. I found 100g quite hard, especially to exercise on.

Incidentally I watched the Game Changers documentary the other night which basically supports the exact opposite of keto (high carb, plant based) and I wish people would just make up their minds about what we should eat :woman_shrugging:

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#1920

if this means bread and pasta is back on the menu, then sign me up.

#1921

There are a million diets out there and I really think the only thing people can do is trial and error that works for them, is affordable and doesn’t make them feel bad/ affect their mh.
I’m very wary given my historic issues with ED/ body dysmorphia of doing anything prescriptive or regimented as I don’t 100% trust my mind not to flip out again, even though it was a long time ago. However I think I sometimes use this as an excuse to eat what I like and I think I need to try to get back to choices that are better for me and just be careful not to get obsessive.
Bloody minefield trying to keep our bodies working well!

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#1922

Exactly. I’m such an all or nothing person which is definitely a bad thing and keto is pretty much all or nothing. I need moderation, not extremes.

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#1923

I definitely think LCHF is harder as a non-meat eater and would be pretty impossible on a vegan diet to get the levels of protein and fat without going over on carbs. Most meat alternatives are higher in carb than their carnivorous equivalents and even those high-protein go-tos like quinoa, lentils and beans are largely off the menu. Most dairy alternatives seem to be low fat so not hugely useful in a Keto regime. I basically just need to stick to the same small rotation of meals that I know fit the macros which is basically eggs and eggs and eggs! And :avocado: :avocado: :avocado:

In terms of which is best I agree it comes down to whichever one you can maintain but for me low carb makes more sense when thinking about insulin resistance and the difficulties that presents in terms of trying to lose weight. Eventually they’ll probably work out some way of personalising our diets based on hormone levels, gut microbiome and genetics.

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#1924

just watching this now. :expressionless:
can someone make a documentary saying how eating sausage rolls is good for you

#1925

Whilst I found it very interesting and it’s somerhing worth exploring further the more I think about it the more I’m annoyed that it’s basically a one sided propaganda video from the Vegan Bro Science Marketing Board. They only managed to find one token women for God’s sake.

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#1926

but she’s black! :laughing:

yeah, seemed to connect with me more than cowspiracy though.

#1927

also they’ve just wheeled arnie out… hahaha vegan diet! :laughing: :syringe:

#1928

Oh wait I take it back, there were two, the runner and the cyclist. And also the wife who cooked all the meals :neutral_face:.

Basically I find it hard to trust something that is that clearly one sided, made and produced by people who are clearly very personally invested in the subject. Would be good to see Horizon looking at it from both angles

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#1929

They made a big deal about slagging off the meat industry for manipulating men with the whole ‘real men eat meat’ thing but then a big portion of the doc was showing men they’d get better erections if they went vegan :woman_facepalming:

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#1930

just on the part of it now! wtf :laughing:

#1931

it was obviously biased as hell and a lot of the comparisons were bullshit. you can’t take people that manage their diet carefully and compare that to people that eat any old shite and say that the reason the carefully managed diet is better for people is solely down to it lacking meat.

think it did well at conveying the main point it was trying to get across though, that meat isn’t essential to high performance.

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#1932

that and 8% harder! :eggplant:

#1933

Yeah I think that bit will really make people think differently. I found it pretty astounding that the strongman guy could do what he was doing whilst vegan.

#1934

yeah, impressive doing that just with vegetables

:syringe: :syringe: :syringe: