November Politics Thread: Countdown To The Lizard Cull

[Ruffers]

His record on antisemitism is genuinely questionable.

Maybe get him to question a single thing?

[TheWza]

Thinks a £10 an hour minimum wage is a good idea even though it would put hundreds of thousands of people out of a job because SMEs won’t be able to afford it.

Nah. Didn’t happen when the minimum wage started, even though Tories complained it would.

Attacks journalists like they are some sort of conspiratorial part of the establishment because they ask him difficult questions.

Nah. Dunno about conspiratorial but there are definitely many and very prominent journalists who are part of the establishment and are cosy beyond normality with the Tories.

[kiyonemakibi]

Gwared - The Legacy of Brazda & Seel ✊📕 (Gwared)

[LilWoodyToodelly]

Poor SME

[hip_young_gunslinger]

Honestly, if that’s what they’re arguing, there’s not much point. People will use whatever attack lines they want to deflect from the fact that deep down, they’re just opposed to left of centre politics.

I mentioned the other day someone I know slightly via Twitter was asking her followers how they defend Corbyn on antisemitism, and I took the time to try and talk them through it. Then yesterday they were sharing the same old shit without a care in the world - they weren’t ever interested in genuinely finding out more, they just wanted to reassuring that they were correct.

[dingaling]

yeah he can’t have anyone disagreeing with him, that’s why he initially put a bunch of moderates in his cabinet (who all stropped off) and kept tom watson around for four years

[the_ravens]

I personally wouldn’t bother responding. Anyone who has a) that many different things ready too list is never going to be persuaded to change their mind. And b) if you think minimum wage of a tenner is bad then you hop on the next spaceship into the sun

[LilWoodyToodelly]

I wish Jeremy was a commie. Imagine being that patient to wait it out for like 30 years on the backbench knowing the workers would eventually get sick of neoliberalism then pouncing at the perfect moment. He’s a genius.

[LilWoodyToodelly]

twigs (notpixietit)

[Ruffers]

Quite a lot of gammons saying manual labor jobs pay less unless you do long hours and I’m just like yeah that’ll solve it, bleating at organised burger workers
Who the fuck wouldn’t think oh yeah time to organised myself then, and not well it’s definitely all wrong? Just absurd levels of actual stupidity

[anon76851889]

Uses hard left membership and Momentum to force deselection of anyone who disagrees with him

Willing to stand corrected, but I don’t believe any MPs that were planning on standing for Labour again have been deselected by the membership.

His record on antisemitism is genuinely questionable

Okay, but it’s a bit of a non-sequitur. Like - what exactly does his think is questionable?

Long history of wanking off far left Communist regimes…

Really? That’s not even vaguely credible language. I think it’s fair to say that he’s been on the wrong side on occasion, but certainly no more so than any other politician given…

with appalling human rights history

If you think Corbyn’s cosying up with nations with shit human rights history then your mind will be blown when you see what everyone else has been up to.

Ignores and ostracises anyone within the party not considered socialist enough, even if they support him

Citation needed. When he tried to form a broad church cabinet initially the right of the party spent 18 months trying to undermine and overthrow him and are still refusing to even try and meet him a fraction of the way. And yet he hasn’t stripped a single one of the whip, he hasn’t undermined them, he hasn’t stopped them complaining in the press, he’s let them get on with it.

Thinks a £10 an hour minimum wage is a good idea even though it would put hundreds of thousands of people out of a job because SMEs won’t be able to afford it.

1. This is exactly the argument that was used against the minimum wage in the first place.
2. Tory policy is for a £10 an hour minimum wage. Even the neo-liberals think it’s a good idea.

Pussied out on declaring his stance on Brexit/second referendum

He’s said that he won’t pre-judge a deal that hasn’t been negotiated. Seems very reasonable to me. He’s never made a secret of the fact that he believes that the referendum should be respected in a non-harmful way but that he also thinks giving the public the final say is a democratic solution to the problem that the Tories have foisted on the country.

he’s essentially a populist cunt

Guilty as charged. Populism isn’t inherently bad.

just like Boris, expect he’s a Communist

Attacks journalists like they are some sort of conspiratorial part of the establishment

Again, guilty as charged.

because they ask him difficult questions

Citation needed. He’s happily answered many difficult questions. What he - and others on the left - have questioned is why it is that when politics coverage is academically analysed, it has been shown to be biased towards the Tories. See http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/67211/1/CAmmaerts_Journalistic%20representations%20of%20Jeremy%20Corbyn_Author_2016.pdf for an example of how he’s been systematically misrepresented in the media

Constantly responds with bollocks like ‘you’re just obsessed with this’ when pushed by media to answer something he doesn’t want to answer properly

Who in politics doesn’t? A straight shooter is a very, very rare beast in politics these days.

[Matt_was_taken]

can I have todays Corbyn vs Jungsung meme please?

[kiyonemakibi]

Will Sloan (WillSloanEsq)

[TheWza]

So, I try and give Corbyn a fair shot, and having rebutted a couple of daft digs at him, imma have to balance it out, cos he’s making daft statements again.

Jeremy Corbyn (jeremycorbyn)

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Again. Get over it, dude.

End of Feb/all of March UK politics thread

Oh dear. What is Corbyn playing at? What the hell does he think he’s achieving with this? Very poor judgement indeed. We’ve had the argument about the circumstances before, so I’ll try and be relatively brief. As a fundamental point, The SNP weren’t, and never will be, obliged to have confidence in a Labour government. Callaghan’s or otherwise. But there’s more to it than that. Callaghan himself blamed the rebels on his own benches, rather than the SNP, for ultimately bringing about the co…

It’s perfectly clear what the situation is. If Labour are the largest minority party, and the SNP have the numbers to get him over the line, Corbyn gets to be PM… if he gives the thumbs up to an independence referendum. Which he will do. It’s playing silly buggers to suggest otherwise by reheating a misreading of what actually went down at the end of the 70s.

[Epimer]

I find this Corbyn/Sturgeon sniping (from both) to be annoying and unhelpful. Maybe they think it helps with tHe OpTiCs of them being in cahoots and that putting off voters, I dunno.

[anon19035908]

[anon76851889]

I find this Corbyn/Sturgeon sniping (from both) to be annoying and unhelpful. Maybe they think it helps with tHe OpTiCs of them being in cahoots and that putting off voters, I dunno.

That’s exactly what I’m taking from it. They saw what happened with Salmond/Miliband and are making sure it’s a much harder attack line by not prevaricating.

I’d wager that if Labour are the largest party, they and the SNP will compromise on a guaranteed 2021 or 2022 referendum, regardless of the composition of Holyrood.

[profk]

british slang for cesspit.

[TheWza]

Jo Swoodle comes across to me like Kezia Dugdale, but without the ‘probably quite nice to have a drink with, when she’s away from politics mode’ element. Jah Swatting has no ‘no politics mode’.

[Ruffers]

Think it’s fair enough tbh, it’ll be a coalition with him or Boris, and all the swashbuckling in the world won’t change it so she’ll have to make her choice. Pretending she won’t back Jeremy means we’d end up with Boris. You might not like the historical reference but it’s an example of when it happened before.