#970

I think it’s probably not that helpful to always be second guessing whether Tories Torying is actually 4D chess and just get on with hating them regardless.

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#971

Dear god, how could anyone hope to understand this? It’s like a riddle written by a prankster god meant to destroy the minds of men, a byzantine tract of such depth and complexity no mere layman could ever hope to possibly divine its true meaning. No wonder the finest minds of our media class were been unable to crack this devilish enigma.

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#972

Should have ended it with “That’s it. That’s the tweet”.

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#973

I’ve learned it’s not possible to have limits on my hatred of Tories. But I reeeeally fucking want that report to come out, so seeing it shoved down the list of (social) media priorities annoys me.

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#974

That is clear, and a great policy that I think will help pick up remain votes.
But it’s not like they’ve been that clear about brexit over the last three years. They weren’t saying that in 2017.

My point being that it’s not unfair that people think they aren’t clear on brexit especially people who don’t follow politics that closely

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#975

Agreed, but tbf it doesn’t matter what they were saying in 2017 now Imo. (can’t really remember what it was, it was definitely confusing but they’d argue that was by necessity)

They can hardly say 'this is our brexit position, now it’s clear, sorry about stuff from 2 years ago.

#976

I agree, it was more a reference to the conversation at the weekend something about how their people still think they don’t have a clear brexit policy - they do now but it’s not unfair that to a lot of people there is still some confusion as that is something that sticks in peoples perceptions.

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#977

Point 1. There was a cost and a benefit to having an opaque and developing Brexit policy as opposed to a fixed and clear one from the start (eg what they have now or a simple revoke policy).

Part 2. There were also further costs and benefits associated with the speed and management of developing/clarifying the policy over the last 2 years.

On point 1, I think you’d have to be an idiot to think they chose the wrong option on balance. On point 2, I think there are valid criticisms that might end up being decisive in the final GE result.

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#978

I think they’ve been pretty consistent tbf. They’ve been saying they want to respect the referendum result and get a decent deal to leave with and to put that deal to the people for some time now. My ire isn’t with people who don’t follow politics closely for not quite grasping their position but with large swathes of the media for willfully misunderstanding it. It’s always seemed pretty straightforward to me and I’m basically an idiot.

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#979

No-one had the same Brexit policy in 2017. The Lib Dems were pro-second referendum, the Tories were all “let’s negotiate the impossible”…

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#980

Yes, the campaign’s job now is to try and stick the new message and hope it is well received. They have a good chance of doing and doing it well I think, but who knows?

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#981

Exactly

#982

Actually, I think the SNP might have been revoke in 2017 and now, but still. Even Farage’s demands have changed over the last 2 years.

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#983

Overall, however, what annoys me is that so many people have an issue with this, ie the strategy and messaging, as opposed to the policy and outcomes. Voting Lib Dem is so clearly a meaningless protest.

#984

"Look at me! Look at me! Look at me! " has been his pretty consistent demand for the last however many years

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#985

While obviously there’s been loads of media coverage resistant to labour since corbyn got the reins, I’ve seen Starmer, thornberry and even mcdonnell and possibly Diane (citation needed) have all gone off message (brexit-wise) at various points.

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#986

Well I followed it fairly closely and while customs union was always thrown around taking it to a referendum is pretty new. It was just a casual observation about the discussion at the weekend about their stance is all.

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#987

baffling that nobody seems to have a fucking clue what the point of a scale is for.

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#988

I definitely heard Diane Abbot saying she’d campaign for Remain straight after the party conference last year.

#989

there’s definitely a superfluous word in this sentence

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