Sociology isn’t a science

And why would it be ‘low’, rather than a substantive ontological difference.

From the WHO:

Changes in dietary and physical activity patterns are often the result of environmental and societal changes associated with development and lack of supportive policies in sectors such as health, agriculture, transport, urban planning, environment, food processing, distribution, marketing, and education.

How can overweight and obesity be reduced?

Individual responsibility can only have its full effect where people have access to a healthy lifestyle. Therefore, at the societal level it is important to support individuals in following the recommendations above, through sustained implementation of evidence based and population based policies that make regular physical activity and healthier dietary choices available, affordable and easily accessible to everyone, particularly to the poorest individuals.

4 people responded to bigfoot within a couple of minutes. so for me, I hadn’t seen other people’s replies while I was typing mine. If I had seen people’s replies then obviously I wouldn’t have posted.

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They were all replying at the same time, which was essentially what was happening before anyway. Don’t worry moderators, no need to close the thread!

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Four people typed up a reply and posted it at pretty much the same time.

Bigfoot was trolling about feeling piled on, after she was accused of the same yesterday.

LOL

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All those responses were within three minutes of each other though. Personally I hadn’t seen any other replies before I posted my own reply.

I don’t really see how you can say something that a lot of people disagree with on a discussion board with a large user base without a lot of people disagreeing with you?

Haha. You won’t find many sociologist agreeing with that.

Oh no it happened again

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Sorry if I’ve contributed to that - started writing that post and three others posted by the time I’d finished.

In relation to what you say, yes sort of.

I think that isolated, out of context of the wider social world there’s absolutely nothing wrong with the campaign and the message they’re trying to get across. I also personally think they have a responsibility to try and get that message across regardless of the social context in which they’re doing it.

However, given the social context, I’m not entirely convinced either way on whether this campaign was a suitable way of doing it. In terms of raising awareness its probably hit the mark. In terms of effecting change, perhaps not. And as DD points out, it may have contributed to some additional harm as well.

It’s a really knotty issue to unravel tbh and I’m probably far from the best person to talk about if or how they could have have approached the campaign differently to achieve better overall results while causing less harm.

Nah, society is fatphobic, and saying that it isn’t is ignoring power structures and the directions in which they act.

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giphy

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Yes I will

Given I’ve had this jingle in my head for a week, what do people think of this campaign and it’s attempts to promote healthy living (I guess it doesn’t have a specific focus on obesity and weight loss though those concepts are wrapped up with it):

Is this the kind of positive campaigning CRUK should do?

I think it’s just me reading you saying “do people seriously” in a patronising way (sorry).

I also think that their aim (correct me if I’m wrong… maybe this is what I think their aim is?) isn’t really to promote people leading healthier lives… it’s to make people aware of what can cause cancer. I’m not defending the campaign at all because I can see why it’s caused so much upset.

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I think what I’m struggling with here is that I don’t understand how they can be campaigning positively when they’re talking about cancer.

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I don’t know. There’s a conceptual difference between “Doing these bad things may increase your risk of cancer” and “Doing these good things may decrease your risk of cancer” but it’s not necessarily an easy message to negotiate.

These kinds of campaigns might work in the short term. They will come and go, yet obesity rates are still going up and have been for decades.
This also relies a lot on the food industry to create and provide these ‘healthy snacks’ based on whether they are selling and making a profit. When this campaign ends, will there still be demand for these 100 cal products? The food industry is only going to make what sells.

You get an ology, you’re a scientist

little else to contribute to the thread, but Maureen Lipman is great

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