#162

No. No. No.
That’s like saying if you play football and risk breaking your leg in a challenge you’re a bad person.
I’ve managed to give myself osteoarthritis before 30 because I do an ostensibly ‘healthy’ physical activity. That doesn’t make me bad, but it’s a risk I was aware of.

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#163

An acceptance that certain things have certain outcomes is not necessarily a judgement on people doing those things.

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#164

Completely agreed Ant, I don’t think anyone’s disputing that, but in this case it’s just kinda poorly handled.

#165

I echo this. I’m overweight (just done a BMI thing):

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(fucking halfway to obese!)

I will never ever get to the healthy weight area. However, I’m really active, I do ridiculous 200km+ bike rides, and I don’t eat total shit (not I don’t necessarily watch everything I eat), but I will never ever be able to get into the green bit. I have tried, but I can’t do it. So yeah, fuck off thinking overweight / obese = unhealthy.

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#167

I don’t think I’ve jumped a million miles at all - I’ve just responded to what you’ve posted with my own argument. You’ve dug your heels into an argument, maybe think about why exactly it is you’re getting angry, because it’s not because of me.

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#168

:point_up_2:

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#169

Yeah, I agree with this massively as well. It’s a very delicate scenario and my completely worthless opinion is that undoubtedly well-meaning points of view on both sides are at loggerheads because the specific point in history we’re at is when social progress regarding body positivity is finally starting to become a bigger talking point and there’s something of a well-meaning “backlash” for want of a better word that stems from a misunderstanding or a flawed interpretation of what body positivity is about.

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#171

No, but i’m saying lots of people might not get the information, might not get taught it properly, have means to change, or even be able to change if they do.

Your example’s a good one. I know lots of people who continue to smoke despite knowing it’s having a huge bearing on their health. In some cases (some, not all) it’s probably the only thing, or one of a select few things they do all day which gives them a release, or takes away stress, or proves a tool for sociaI interaction. If they choose to smoke long-term and die young or become seriously ill do i blame them? Well, no, not really, or only marginally. I’d look at the government for puting tax revenue before peoples health, the companies who make trillions of pounds a year from producing them.

I’m going to bow out of this particular debate and mute the thread. I think your position on this is…a bit off. At the same time i hate how these conversations usually go when one person’s argument meets resistance from a few, no matter how well-meaning their point might be.

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#172

I am going to leave you alone now, but I’m sorry you’re annoyed. I will say though that I have not twisted anything you’ve said, I’ve simply responded with my own point of view. Maybe you need a little break to think about what it is about what you’re posting in this thread is making you so angry and not able to deal with opposing views.

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#173

if you ban me so help me mark I will ban you

#174

Eh?

What have I done?

#175

I@VE HAD IT WITH YOUR INSOLENCE !!!1

#176

And @meowington

Folks, don’t think this is doing either of you any good. You both just have a difference of opinions.
Just saying this to help, not to cause offence. Xx

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#177

meow has literally gone out of her way to be generous with her time and evidence with you.

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#179

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#180

Where?

#181

Yeah, absolutely. Wasn’t particularly directed at you, just a general comment as I’ve seen it a few people mention BMI being an issue here and elsewhere.

As another general comment - again, not really directed at anybody - this advert is clearly harming some people, it’s clearly making people some people feel ashamed. I still don’t think I’d call it fat shaming though, as I think that implies an intent to do harm? Don’t know if I’m off-base on that one though.

#182

Ok, fair enough. I’m not going to get into a disagreement about who’s wrong or right, I just don’t want either of you to suffer over a difference of opinions.

Have a great day! And a mighty fine lunch when it comes

#183

thanks man, not my clearest piece of writing ever but glad the point came across to an extent.

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#184

Yeah I don’t know and this is what I was trying to get at. CRUK haven’t used the word ‘fat’ anywhere, they’ve used the word ‘obesity’ which is a specific and measured class of overweightness, for want of a better phrase. Not sure why there’s been a conflation ofthese 2 words here.

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