#3055

There is literally no appetite for it to be challenged by anyone but the lib dems, it’s just not going to happen.
The polls (for what they’re worth) show that people that voted for brexit still want it.
Unfortunately we need to get used to it and prepare for it in the best way possible.

#3056

Where is this socialist government coming from?

#3057

A labour minority government after the tories implode. They’ve just put back the queens speech so are clearly struggling

#3058

What do they want?

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#3059

No foreigners

#3060

Brexit- there is very little nuance.
Who is saying it shouldn’t and won’t happen? No one of importance.

#3061

Ok. And I’m sure it’s cos of legitimate concerns and all. Leaving the EU won’t fix that.

#3062

A Labour minority government that far short of a parliamentary majority would have no chance of governing as a socialist government. Remember that the Tories have 318 seats, so are very close to being able to unilaterally block any Labour minority government policy.

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#3063

Labour would probably have been wiped out if they’d ran on an anti-Brexit manifesto. It would take a huge swing in popular opinion to stop it now, and, as you say, there just hasn’t been one.

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#3064

Exactly.
People sitting in a corner crying that they don’t want it to happen is pointless. Try and shape the narrative in a way that it doesn’t happen in a catastrophic way

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#3065

But what does Brexit mean? In real terms? Do they want to to destroy the economy?

'According to our calculations, based on direct costs such as job losses from the finance sector, as well as inflation eroding incomes and savings, Brexit will cost Britain £140 billion (7.5% of GDP) or the equivalent of £300 million a week over eight years’

Surely you see how crazy it is to do something that literally no one can tell you what it will achieve apart from economic disaster?

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#3066

It does, but it allows more scope for the Lords to get involved as well (and is another stick to beat them with whenever they much things up). The HoL can’t (not sure whether by convention or constitution) stop the government from legistlating for anything in a sitting government’s manifesto, so if the Tories throw it out of the window they’ve got two potentially troublesome houses to deal with instead of just one.

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#3067

Yes i do but the population and the parties do not therefore what can you achieve.
If Labour would’ve run on a remain ticket we’d be looking at a 100 seat tory majority and a hard brexit.
I’m really sorry but I don’t see how it can be stopped. I genuinely wish it could

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#3068

Albeit a mid-30-something who spent the best part of a decade writing speeches for David Cameron and Boris Johnson…

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#3069

because politicians are still acting like it’s possible. people voted for a scenario that doesn’t exist. it’s fucking madness.

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#3070

I agree with pretty much all that you say, but it’s politically untenable to stop it. It shouldn’t be, but it is - whichever party (or even both, if they form a “grand coalition” to revoke Article 50) tries will be condeming themselves to electoral oblivion for a generation.

(note - opinion presented as fact here because I can’t see any workable way of selling it).

#3071

Pretty much this, there has to be a point where someone stands up and says how does a hard brexit actually benefit the majority of the country.

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#3072

Writing what the Prime Minister says to the nation at 27 - fine
Young person having an opinion you don’t like - not fine

Great bunch of logic

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#3073

Better solution - let the Tories do Brexit, then when it all goes to shit and they hopefully get wiped out apply to join the EU again!

What do you mean, that’s totally unfeasible? :frowning:

#3074

It’s complete madness and it was complete and utter stupidity to have the vote. But no party is going to be elected on a remain manifesto. The best we could hope for (and it’s a pretty far stretch) is maybe Labour coming into power in the next year or so, being a bit more honest about the situation and later admitting that is just isn’t feasible without fucking up the country.