Official general election thread


#546

yep. and then multiple people have gone ‘here are the details that go with it.’

But i think Robinson’s a cunt, generally


#547

Oh definitely.


#548


#549

Does he ever?


#550

[edit: blurring so people don’t have to read posts by someone who should be permanently banned for being a cunt]

[spoiler]You know me too well :wink:.

It could have been this thread or maybe the other one (not sure, i’ve been banned for a few days), but that’s basically what @BodyInTheThames was arguing as I recall.[/spoiler]


#551

I absolutely don’t agree. His team milked the membership’s response to the vote on the 2nd reading and the best interpretation of Corbyn’s behaviour is that he got out of the way. If he accepted that the interim leader and his fellow candidates acted in good faith he certainly didn’t say it. After leaving Harman to the mob that formed after the vote I can’t imagine how he would expect her or her allies to view him positively in the future. He could have got the pop for voting against the bill but made it clear that he didn’t think abstention was tantamount to supporting the Tories. He patently didn’t do that.

As to comparisons to 2010, I’d argue the situations were very different. In 2010 Labour were fighting for its reputation, in 2015 they were fighting for attention. Also, in 2010 they were fighting against accusations of overspending, the criticism that everyone always wants to believe of Labour so it always had the potential to be wildly damaging. In 2015 you’re suggesting that they needed to take an immediate position to avoid being seen as too hard on welfare?

Corbyn’s position on the welfare vote appealed his base and, it was hoped, disenfranchised voters. Harman was trying establish a dialogue with the people who had just voted Tory. Corbyn did the thing that wins leadership elections, he appealed to the base. So we had the strong rebuttal that the base wanted to hear and 2 years later he has a great relationship with the membership and no relationship with the voters, and the party looks set to do even worse.

Obviously this one event could have been balanced out at any point in the last two years so it’s hard to argue that it had to be significant, but the fact that Corbyn won such attention for it, at the expense of his PLP colleagues, yet the one goal the PLP had from the vote - engagement outside the party - hasn’t been achieved, does make it rather emblematic of how fucked we are.


#552

Ooh I’m going to get a new MP! I wonder if it’ll be a pony.

See ya Jim. :wave:


#554

It’ll change on a constituency by constituency basis of course, but in general that’s probably about right. My local (Labour) MP is massively pro-Brexit so voting Lib Dem is pretty much the only sensible option I have (if Brexit is to be the number one issue). If you live in Brighton by contrast, might be better to vote Green.


#556

Look at this:


#557

hiding his face - unelectable.


#558

Embarrassing.

Most of these things are though - I’m not a good judge of shareable SM content.


#559

Reads like a Trump slogan.


#560

No it doesn’t


#561

:penguin:


#562

It sounds like David Brent IMO, I never thought Trump sounds like David Brent


#563

it’s too eloquent for that


#564

Guys I live in a Tory seat and the Fib Dems are second. I really don’t care and am not going to grumble on about it. There are lots of Tory seats and SOMEONE has to live in them. Still gonna vote labour.


#565

Looks like a late 70s Sunday supplement ad for pipe tobacco or something

Which I suppose is fairly on brand

I see it’s going down well on twitter


#566

That last sentence is kind of the problem with it I think.


#567

Or even older