I’d recommend Pig Lib every time
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It is weird I fucking love pavement.
Loved the first Stephen Malkmus solo record but my memory after that is that the records thereafter were a bit patchy.
Bought them all on CD and then punted my entire collection years ago, but maybe that was an error depending on whether CDs are truly a thing again, but maybe I need to re-engage with the post pavement path.
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I only know them because my father is such a ridiculous prog head. He might have seen them in the seventies, must ask him.
Best record shop in Ireland for that kind of stuff tbf.
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Do it. I’m listening to Real Emotional Trash right now and it is bangers back to front.
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Agreed, love a good hoke in there every time I’m down, Spindizzy comes close as well
Ah I’ve just spotted that they’re on this compilation that I’m sure I listened to at some point
Woah the singer is from Banbridge
I’ve got it, it’s on that most annoying of formats 10’
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Dynamic Calories has always been my favourite on Dark Wave. Classic!
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just the king of the summertime jam, nothing beats walking in the sunshine in a field somewhere with a bit of the Malkster playing, somehow you just know everything’s gonna be alright 
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Rattler off Sparkle Hard might be the worst song he’s ever written, eesh. Big skip
Luckily Shiggy into Kite is great as an instant rock out follow up
OUT OF REACHES!
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I skip all the shite ones so as far as i know he’s never written any
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Best feedback ever in that solo, so textured and melodic
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Yes Yes YESSSSSSSS
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think this is a bit dismissive based on the actual conversation, they are talking about the class dynamics of the american alternative scene.
its not just coming from Corgan, Love says Hole and Nirvana were influenced by norms of that scene which held back their early work, and she admired the pumpkins for not. pumpkins were called sell outs when they were the ones unashamedly doing their own thing with no regard to indie coolness, where as Kurt and Courtney did try to conform. Courtney sees that as selling out as she knew what she was doing, and felt it had to be done in order to succeed and admired the pumpkins for bypassing that.
they talk about how the indie gatekeepers obsession with ‘authenticity’ was enabled by having comfortable upper middle class backgrounds and the safety net that comes with that giving them the freedom to make uncommercial music, whereas bands like the pumpkins it was a matter of survival, and despite that they still took risks and made experimental and innovative music. they weren’t conforming to the indie scene, or what was commercial just completely following their own thing, yet were called sellouts
think if it didnt involve Corgan, dis would be very open to the idea that class dynamics like that are real.
so I don’t see it as him being a ‘crybaby’ but rather standing his ground, indie types often take public shots at him when they’ve got something to publicise. even if he is being a crybaby, nothing wrong with being a crybaby, imagine a person who wrote an album called mellon collie and the infinite sadness is going to be a crybaby. again it kind of corroborates what he is saying, pumpkins were always about unashamed sincerity in an era of aloof indie ironic detachment, I prefer the cry baby
is this in the wrong thread?
If Lionel Messi had posted this, it would have got 25+ likes
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A lengthy post about Billy Corgan in a thread only (at most) tangentially connected to him, that’s a first!
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This is now the Smashing Pumpkins Thread
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looks at last five posts.
Clears throat
“I don’t understand what they mean
And I could really give a fuck!”
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