People who take Harry Potter too seriously

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#861

I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying why they’ve ordered their world the way they have should have been better explored than it was. You can kill a person with the size of those later books, but despite that there’s no real discussion of it, how it came about, whether it’s truly right and so on. It’s a power structure that is simply there and that’s all there is to it. I find that troubling, particularly in the context of the nostalgic pinings for early 20th century Britain. I would totally accept it if I had felt that it had been properly addressed.

Also the thing about irl witch burning is a muddled justification at best. If I remember correctly this was portrayed as something amusing the Muggles tried to do once but had no effect on real wizards, since they could cast anti-burning spells or whatever. It points to a larger tonal problem where the terrifying peril the Muggles represent justifies the utmost secrecy, but also they’re silly and stupid and look at their plug sockets! Again there’s real life parallels there that make me deeply uncomfortable.

I accept your wider point that the Good Wizards preach toleration of normies and practice it, but beneath the lid I can’t help but feel a lot of cultural biases shaped the HP universe that Rowling never bothered to really consider. Which I feel is important to do if your major aesthetic is early 20th century Britain.


#862

:smiley: coz that’s totally what i said. @Bamnan it ain’t coz of the bookshop per se, it’s just kinda…referring to Hume as ‘some bollocks’ is pretty stunning.

also maybe fuck you a li’l bit there sadpunk, generally


#863

Immanuel Kant 4 lyf


#864

Humeid take.

Cheers guys!


#865

:smiley: thread ends


#866

maybe I’m just a better philosopher than Hume so I was already operating above his level idk.


#867

yeah… i wish i thought you were joking tbh. and that’s why i bit <3


#868

kind of feel like I operate on a level that’s parallel to humour.

Like a meta Socrates


#869

:smiley: if you would consider working up the idea of a mecha socrates i would be very interested


#870

Quite like the Harry Potter films.


#871

run eltham. you are too good for this thread


#872

Wasn’t that Pringle was handed to him by @penoid


#873

that would be too good


#874

WIZARD OR MUGGLE IN THE GRAVE WE’RE ALL THE SAME I.E. DEAD


#875

member of house sugarpuffs rises from the grave


#876

What’s happened? I’m here for some lighthearted boy wizard chat. That Deathly Hallows Part 1 eh? Decent film.


#877

Solid. Really great actors in that film innit. The CGI snake weren’t bad either tbf.

Might watch it tonight


#878

I like when you see a nude Harry and Hermione in a cloud.


#879

I agree with a lot of what you’ve said.

There are ENORMOUS plot holes and problems with the way in which the whole wizard world works and this doesn’t just extend to how it relates to muggles: there’s a complete lack of internal logic.

How many wizards are there? Only a handful, surely, as there are only enough kids to fill one school in the entire UK (and a school with about five staff too…) and yet they have a huge ministry and a hospital with multiple wards, which surely must mean there are many many more than could be supported by one school. Then there’s the whole ‘if apparating is a thing, why bother with broomsticks’ etc etc etc.

It’s clear that Rowling was thinking about the plot and character of the series and not the actual logistics many of which she made up as she went along (fudged if you will*) many of which don’t stand up to any kind of scrutiny at all.

I think it’s mean spirited though to use this to decry the politics of the book. From my experience as both parent and teacher, kids come away from HP with a ‘fascism is bad’, ‘accepting people who are different to you is good’ message loud and clear.

I know what you’re going to say: they’re influenced subconsciously by the propping up of quasi-imperialist hierarchies etc but I just don’t think that this is the main take away.

I’ve seen schools become much more tolerant places in the 20 years I’ve been teaching and I’m certainly not going to place all of the credit for that with JK, but I really don’t think that the message of inclusion, “you can’t call people mudbloods just because their family is different to yours”, has genuinely helped.

They have many problems, but overall I have seen HP books as a force for good. There’s some atrocious writing in there and definitely some political problems, but overall far more positives than negatives.


#880

there’s the additional element, btw, that an editor will have reigned in anything that took the books unsubtly into adult themed fiction, to ensure ££££££. so to decry Rowling for not exploring further is tricky