#341

This is part of the problem with fans wanting musicians to be this caricature of a small part of themselves that only aligns to their music. People are rounded individuals and no matter how much of their work may be autobiographical (but even then it will all be mixed together and then with fictional bits added) they are of course not just that aspect of themselves. And it’s unfair to expect them to be otherwise.

#342

Can’t think of many singer songwriters that have referred to songs as the dead baby song, so think that criticism is valid. Not interested in the other stuff people are bringing up. You keep farming the likes though!

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#343

Also social media is immediate, short and generally pretty irreverent and flippant.
Songs are things you spend a long time editing and adjusting and getting the choice of words right.
I mean this really doesn’t need spelling out right

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#344

Most solo artists work with their band on the songs in just the same way as bands do. Just look in the sleave notes, the Punisher ones are pretty detailed as to who contributed to each song

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#345

and she’s been completely open about how the creative process with the collaborators has worked from what I’ve read. For the latest album at least, don’t know about Stranger In The Alps which I think is what @rocksrocksrocks is referring too

#346

It’s a tiresome trope though isn’t it? Female creators always find people questioning their credentials and looking to give credit to their male collaborators.

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#347

Think on stranger Marshall Vore co-wrote a few tracks. The rest are either bridgers on her tod or the cover (:grimacing:)

Then a couple of producers and I think Mike Mogis was involved. Not some massive operation anyway. Standard solo indie album stuff basically

#348

Like when Arca and Bobby Krilic had to actually come out and say erm no it was Bjork who was our mentor. People are so weirdly keen to dismiss the work of female musicians.

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#349

Remember an interview from a few years back where someone asked Annie Clark if she wrote her own guitar parts, apropos of nothing

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#350

Good grief.

#351

Needlessly Defensive 2020

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#352

Bjork’s had it her whole career. The list of men who’ve been given credit for her brilliance is depressingly long - Mark Bell, Howie B, Matmos,etc. You’d think people would eventually grasp what the common denominator on all those records is.

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#353

must have had to get so many extra blokes in on the boygenius record eh!

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#354

yeah alright, let’s do this. try to figure out what my deal is here and then i can try to work out what’s wrong with my perception. just FYI i don’t tend to get too grumpy with this kind of thing so we can probably be pretty open

compared to a load of stuff i listen to in the general indie guitar
/ singer songwriter area Strangers In The Alps is way more produced, which is to say, there is a lot more going on than a recording of people playing in a room. there are a load of weird sounds, bits and pieces of strings, bits that sound like synths and theramin. there’s also a bit of a production sheen over it all that i can’t properly describe, that reminds me more than anything of taylor swift or something in the pop music world.

that all makes me think of it as something which has a lot of people involved and i’m interested in the process. i’m not sure this comes from somewhere particularly mysogynistic, though i get that there is a long tradition of people not taking women seriously as musicians and therefore that a comment of this kind is suspect. might be wrong but i think i’d be interested in the same thing regardless of the gender of the musician. tried to think of a good example but don’t listen to much music in this kind of genre so was hard to find something relevant

#355

Phoebe Bridgers is a great producer, listen to Christian Lee Hudson’s album
And then shush

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#356

madness really

#357

ruffers i think you’re a good guy when i read you on here, but find that one a bit rude

#358

Don’t think bjork ever worked with them

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#359

A bjork and madness collaboration

  • I would listen to this
  • I would not listen to this

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#360

I knew that was coming

and yet I still hit post

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