Politics: The Long Smarch (2020)

I think if you say that someone’s actions / comments suggest a level of ignorance towards the subject matter that is fine. It could be a bit problematic if you just describe a person as generally being ignorant, especially as the term could be a bit loaded when considering different levels of access to education and information.

yeah calling someone ignorant can definitely be very hostile, abusive and demeaning but it doesn’t carry the same meaning as the other terms which are used to ascribe inferiority related to “intelligence” (which is inherently ableist)

There isn’t really a word to describe when there is a huge difference between how insightful someone (or a group of people) thinks they are and how insightful they actually are. I think people use stupid more in that kind of context, and if there was another word readily available they’d use that. I think we need a word for it cos it’s a pretty relevant phenomenon in 2020

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I like that people have to be more creative with words tbh

also I think you can say the same about other words too tbh like idiot and dumbass

people use them to mean someone thinks they’re dead smart but is showing themselves up a bit

for me, all of them are still carrying various degrees of judgement about ability and at least implicitly attaching value to that

the “stupid” thing here just seemed kinda unnecessary and abusive for the sake of it

do we not all know centrist hacks say ridiculous things?

Lol Corbyn retweeted this https://twitter.com/WarmongerHodges/status/1246900365167071238?s=20

I didn’t put this in the corona thread cause it seems more general, but this kind of attitude stinks imo. He’s literally only PM because he was elected, he doesn’t have special powers or skills that make him uniquely indispensable. And on top of that he is ill and therefore not at his best, if he isn’t well enough to be out and about he sure as fuck isn’t well enough to run a country. And that’s leaving aside that this ridiculous macho attitude to / expectation of working through sickness is a fucking blight on working people and seeing it modelled from the top like this is infuriating

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Can someone explain the vote about the public sector pay gap in 2017? Seems to be doing the rounds on social media, but I can’t find any information about the actual vote.

It was just after the election, Labour proposed an amendment to the Queen’s Speech to remove the public sector pay cap that had been in place, Tories and DUP voted against it (a few Tories had been briefing journalists that they’d remove it in the days before think)

Also rings completely hollow when Tories argue they purely voted it down to avoid looking weak or cowtowing to Labour when they made no moves whatsoever to increase pay in the NHS off their own backs afterwards. It was voted down because they didn’t want it (obviously).

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To be clear, the amendment wouldn’t have removed the pay cap/given workers a pay rise. However, voting against it and the reaction to winning the vote does send out a clear message about their priorities.

"“…respectfully regret that the Gracious Speech fails to end cuts to the police and the fire service; commend the response of the emergency services to the recent terrorist attacks and to the Grenfell Tower fire; call on the Government to recruit more police officers and fire-fighters; and further call on the Government to end the public sector pay cap and give the emergency and public services a fair pay rise.”

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Thank you! And to you @Ruffers and @colinzealuk.

Our local Tory MP/megacunt Tim Loughton sent my mum the snottiest reply to my Mum’s email about the current lack of provision for NHS staff on the frontline right now, saying how he’s always been on record in support of raising the pay of NHS workers. Perhaps this was a bit of politicking from Labour but it worked

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No April thread?

There’s no politics any more. Stopped by Covid. I knew there was a reason for calling this the Long march.

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Prescient.

Can we change this to The Long Mapril?

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Sets us up nicely for Maypril too. Nice work

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We had our fill the last couple of years, but is anyone missing parliamentary democracy?

  • yeh
  • nah

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Vince has pissed off the Lib Dem natives something rotten :smiley:

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‘eventually’ is doing a hell of a lot of heavy lifting there.