#221

Would love Frank but just can’t see it. Maybe if he’d fully got the hates-touring monkey off his back since last time, but I think he’s played basically no shows since then?

I can’t imagine how stressful and infuriating it must be to get let down like that - and Gabbi’s been fairly on record about what a bunch of fuckers he thinks Migos are for pulling out last time.

Obv Frank’s a different thing - but different enough to risk what probably almost gave him a heart attack last year? Hmm.

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#222

With the specific example of the public facing entertainers, it does get to the route of the problem. It shows everyone, regardless of their gender that anyone is equally capable.

You can’t really both sides something that’s so unequal. It doesn’t work like that.

Again, by showing women that they are an equal part of the music scene, this will eventually address this. We don’t need a detailed examination of the gender imbalance, when it is SO heavily loaded in favour of men. Again how many major festivals have their ever been? and how many have had as many, not more, as many women performing as men?

I mean this is just so idealistic and nothingy.

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#223

Yeah, you’re probably right. I am just being hopeful!

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#224

I respect your view but don’t share it.

“It shows everyone, regardless of their gender that anyone is equally capable” An enforced quota does not achieve that. It is artificial. A quota system is the opposite of meritocracy. I want festivals to look at who is out there and book the best acts they can. I feel Primavera have been doing this for years. Thus it is possible. The “fingers crossed for lots of women” comment was an odd thing to say about the one of the very few festival that is evidently least sexist in its booking policies. It is for other festivals to change their own sexist booking policies.

It should not be the job of festivals in my view to address the relative lack of touring female bands. It is their job to book them when they are good, which they are just as often as men. I appreciate others will see this differently.

I also agree that gender inequality is overwhelmingly against women. That wasn’t my point.

Of course we need a detailed examination of the gender imbalance. Rushing to a solution without understand cause and effect is such a poor way of dealing with any issue.

#225

Hahahah! It’s brilliant thought!

#226

Isn’t that the dad rock festival? Gonna be a meltdown in the Madcool thread!

#227

Given that they were the two dullest things in 2018 I am on board with this news.

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#228

Isn’t booking the best acts out there what they’re doing though? When you compare the best reviewed albums of 2018 with this year’s lineup there’s a lot of crossover

http://www.anydecentmusic.com/articles/poll-of-polls-2018.aspx

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#229

All the women and the added diversity in general made last year really special. It meant more diversity in the crowd too which was great! I’ll be gutted if they don’t do their best to keep it 50/50, personally.*

*Not to mention calling it it the “new normal” and then going back to how it was before being very silly.

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#230

OK, make it your point, because that’s what we’re talking about here.

There are more than women to fill festival line ups on merit. As this year proved, having a 50 50 gender split was not detrimental to the calibre of artists. So I really do wonder what negative effects you’re worried about by making sure there is equal representation?

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#231

Agreed, I was at both and they were crap

#232

Do we reckon Travis Scott could play this?. Word on the street is that he’s doing Coachella and Reading/Leeds

#233

Would certainly fit the mould of the festival the past couple of years. Broadly speaking, we’ll probably get one rock day, one rap/rnb day, and one pure pop day on the main stage.

#234

Yes please

#235

"Portishead is basically Geoff " - comments Gabi when answering a listener who asked about the possibility of seeing Portishead again at Primavera Sound, " And he comes a lot with Beak>. He is a big fan of the festival. I have some spy out there who has told me that it is possible that next year there is a Portishead record. Some spy I have. So … Well, if they are fans of the festival, and they have a record … I don’t know if next year or next … I don’t knowabout plans. Maybe they did venues first and then festivals … I don’t see it that far. "

#236

I accept that I’m in a minority view on here but this argument is flawed. How do you know that the 50/50 split wasn’t detrimental to the quality of this year’s? You can’t assess the what-would-have-happened-otherwise. Maybe 60/40 women would have been better? Maybe 60/40 men would have been better? How about the bookers just focus on the best lineup they can based on who is available.

Having a quota is discrimination in reverse. If the goal is to eliminate discrimination, then setting quotas is in fact promoting discrimination. You’re giving one band preference over another because of their gender instead of their abilities. It still reinforces stereotypes and risks promoting a superior attitude from men that women have to be given a special and artificial leg-up. It is a reaction to the problem, not addressing the root cause of it. And it lessens women’s achievements. How long before people say, you were only given a headline slot to “to fill the quota”…

#237

How can you say that Primavera festivals from 2001-2018 wouldn’t have been better by making them 60/40 women?

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#238

ok, fair enough!

#239

Bet Geoff will hate that quote :rofl:

#240

A 50 50 split isn’t discriminating against either side. It’s offering balance. If things had ever been balanced anywhere on any other line up ever, then maybe some of your points would hold.

No one was given a spot on that line up without earning it on merit, they just also applied a second criteria.

You’re seriously arguing against levelling the playing field, in case men are sexist?

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