Reproductive rights (including Repeal the 8th)

I think this deserves its own thread.

The UK Supreme Court has just ruled by a majority of 3 to 2 that the UK government can stop women from Northern Ireland accessing abortions on the NHS, even when they are in England. This was the UK government fighting an appeal by a UK citizen who was a child at the time of having to pay for her abortion. Anyone assuming they’re not going to concede anything on women’s rights and LGBT rights to the DUP should probably read this.

summary: https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2015-0220-press-summary.pdf

full judgement: https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2015-0220-judgment.pdf

Fucking disgraceful.

What’s the legal grounding for that? Is healthcare devolved or something?

I’m not clever enough to properly take in legal documents tbh, is this the key section: “A difference of treatment between UK citizens present in England on the grounds of usual residence falls within the scope of “other status” for the purposes of article 14”

Like “other status” is vague enough for it to be deemed applicable here?

Right, got ya. Thanks DazBaz, you are extremely good at explaining things to people who are less smart than you :thumbsup:

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my understanding of abortion as an issue used to be very basic, i pretty much knew nothing about it - the only conversation i’d ever had relating to it was when someone mentioned in passing (no idea why) that the thing we were talking about was like the two sides of the abortion argument. you’re either pro life or pro choice, it’s not like it’s pro life or pro death. therefore pro choice is the reasonable side of the argument to take

then last year i saw a poet called Julie do a spoken word piece, written like a letter to the pro life movement and it absolutely floored me. one example of the things in it: IVF treatment unavoidably involves the destruction of fertilised eggs, but the pro life movement don’t seem to have a problem with this.

i spoke to julie afterwards and somehow ended up convincing her a few months later that i could write music to go with her poems

here’s the one about the pro life movement

(cheeky JAG but it is relevant)

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I don’t see how this is at all compatible with EU law

its astonishing that this is a thing. how can some uk nationals not have the same rights as others? i cant get my head round how this can be ruled to be ok, its outrageous

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Is NI residents having an abortion illegal? I can’t work it out…

whats SRHR?

edit: sexual and reproductive health and rights, googled it

sexual reproduction human robocop

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This always seems more to do with control, and sex - than it does about the politics of reproduction even. It’s inherently misogynistic and it seems like the ulterior motive (if not exterior) seems to always be about slut shaming / putting women in jeopardy for daring to be sexually active at any time in their lives.

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the more i think about it the less it makes sense. i get that healthcare is devolved, but why shouldnt women from NI have the same right to access to healthcare as rUK? if im in wales or scotland or NI, wouldnt i have the same right to access healthcare as if im in england? god the more i think about it the stupider it seems

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Of course it has to be timed as to not coincide with the papal visit, wouldn’t want those to clash would we.

I’m really, really wary about what wording this could have. I don’t trust Varadker or his government at all.

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So, if I understand this correctly - I, as an EU citizen, can travel to any EU country & recieve the same health rights as any other citizen of that country - but, because someone travelling from NI to England/Wales/Scotland is not crossing state-to-state, internal rather than EU jurisdiction applies?

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Here’s 2016 Northern Ireland Life and Times Survey results on attitude to abortions

http://www.ark.ac.uk/nilt/results/abortion.html

seems like people want a change in the law but I don’t even think there’s an appetite to extend the 1967 act sadly.

Great, let’s force women to have Children they don’t want. I can’t see anything reprehensible about that at all.

That’s fucking terrifying

Not sure what’s to be done about it. The largest parties only support abortion in the case of FFA/sexual crimes, if they support abortion at all. Only the Green Party favours full decriminalisation, and they have 2 MLAs.

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sometimes I think it’s not the laws that are fucked but that the people the laws represent

then I remember the laws are fucked too

doesn’t feel like 2017

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It’s one of those situations like the death penalty, where most people would support it but it’s illegal because it’s medieval. The world is a strange place to be.

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