Rolling Descent into Fascism Thread [chat away]


#1744

can only imagine. solidarity mate.


#1745

I’ve only been living there a year and haven’t got too much involved politics, but yes they have PR. The current government is a minority coalition with the Greens and some other parties on the left. They will probably do that again, and there could also be a coalition of centrist / religious parties. So nobody is willing to form a coalition with the Sweden Democrats at least.

In all of these elections (including Trump and Brexit), people are voting on a single issue, which is immigration. In the UK the media is responsible for stirring up a lot of anti-immigration rhetoric, but that is not really the case in Sweden. I’ve had lots of conversations with seemingly progressive, left-leaning Swedes, but they still come out with a load of nonsense regarding immigration. I don’t know what the answer to this is.


#1746

thanks. that’s a relief at least, although I imagine them winning the popular vote and not getting into government will become a dangerous situation of its own.

the mainstream media might be better over there but I see much online anti immigrant stuff involving Sweden, can’t imagine how much more you all living there must get thrown at you. what with all the targeted ads and that.


#1747

According to that poll
Left-leaning - S, V, MP, FI = 38%
Centrist / conservative - M, C, L, KD = 36%
Right wing - SD = 24%


#1748

Why do you think they come out with it?


#1749

Probably because immigration is constantly framed negatively, as a problem, rather than positively. They have also handled some of the integration of asylum seekers in several places pretty badly, which hasn’t helped the situation at all.


#1750

Just had an hour Skype lesson with my Swedish teacher and discussed this. She said that a lot of pensioners (ageing population) are voting for the far-right party as they are the poorest in all of Europe. This is not true (https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Sweden-has-the-poorest-senior-citizens-of-the-whole-EU). They think that the government is spending all the money on welfare for asylum seekers and other migrants, and there is none left for them, which is also not true.


#1751

Is it baby boomers, or people older than that?

If memory serves, in the Brexit vote, those of the Golden Generation were more in favour of remain than their offspring.


#1752

I think it is older, due to the Swedish pension system being front-loaded. So baby boomers are OK financially, but the very old are facing poverty. So pension reform is the answer, nothing to do with immigration.


#1753

you have to read this, absolutely terrifying


#1754

:neutral_face: I’ve read it. I don’t really have any words to explain the out of disgust and despair it’s thrown me into. Sorry.


#1755

Scandinavian egalitarian social democracy (which is significantly to the left of UK social policy norms) doesn’t seem to be acting as a bulwark against the far right either then.


#1756

thought this was a daily mash article when i saw the headline


#1757

You’ve got to spike an agent or two.


#1758

bit of a fun one here


#1759

“juvenile covert human intelligence sources”… :persevere:


#1760

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#1761

reason for rolli g descent… explained in the thread


#1762

Not just msnbc ofc; most media has done a good job of keeping yemen out of the spotlight, while playing some really grotesque semantic games with the death toll. no way is it still only 15000 after years of siege, blockades and TB and cholera epidemics (est 250000 - 500000 infected before they stopped counting).


#1763

Maybe not the right thread but an interesting example of the hostile environment:

‘We’ve had situations where say an African artist has been due to come who plays a particularly rare instrument, and we’ll be asked, ‘Can’t you find someone in the UK who plays that instrument?’, which is absurd.’