Rolling Descent into Fascism Thread (no chat)


#1

Should've started this earlier but whatever.

RULES:
1) No Chat
2) Posts must contain a link
3) And a brief, sentence-long description of why this is part of our descent into fascism
4) NO CHAT


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#2

Media asks for Gary Linekar to be fired because he dared express public sympathy for refugess (see also: Lily Allen)


#3

Sorry, gotta break your nochat rule here, as it's better than starting a new thread for chat about this thread: This is all well and good but the last time I suggested something about UKIP (for example) was fascist I got a rap on the knuckles by the politics bros, so I'm not sure about joining in until we have a list of definitions about what is and isn't fascism.


#4

Topped with a TV presenter with an actual conviction for abuse.


#5

Homeless people get fined for being homeless:

https://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2016/oct/21/council-fining-homeless-people-for-being-homeless-cruel-unworkable


#6

I think what happened, if you're talking about the thing I think you are, is that people were a bit uneasy about the 'I hope he dies' stuff going round when Stephen Woolfe was taken to hospital, rather than saying that UKIP weren't (proto-)fascist


#7

No, there were definitely a couple of people trying to nit-pick over the idea that advocating fascist policies makes you a fascist.


#8

Oh right, missed that, sorry eo


#9

Yup, this is what Geoff said:

So Steven Woolfe is a fascist is he?

An ACTUAL fascist?

In response to me referencing fascist parties.


#10

No wucks. It's a fine line.

As far as Woolfe went, I felt like he was sufficiently high enough up in the party structure that yes, you could blend the party and the man.


#11

I'm happy for this thread to stand (with all my powers!) For me, 'rolling descent into fascism' encompasses stories that, whilst not necessarily dictionary-definition fascist, are a sign of things lurching that way.


#12

Dammit, don't care so much whether or not any specific person 'is' or 'is not' a fascist.

More interested in creating a running archive of moments in British society where the public / overton window moves more towards fascism. If we really want specific definitions, this is a really good guide - Umberto Eco's 14 fascist features:
http://interglacial.com/pub/text/Umberto_Eco_-_Eternal_Fascism.html


#13

Interesting, cheers for that.


#14

I can't express how angry I am about this, it's not like he's written the Little Red Book for fucks sake. Just common human decency.


#15

"She knew precisely what she was doing"

Press watchdog IPSO clears Kelvin McArseface from inciting hatred, then one of its board members gloats about it in the very same paper.


#16

Wait, did someone accidentally hold shift while hitting 4 and no editors pick it up, can't see why there'd be a dollar sign in there on purpose


#17

The Sun's editors are too busy being the worst people in the country to notice things like that.


#18

And no evidence was presented to support Steven Woolfe being an actual fascist either.


#19

And besides that at least a partial appeal about using terms like 'fascist' to describe UKIP because I think it actually emboldens them, rather than exposing them. Think it's important to be careful with language here, is all.


#20

This is weird. Tabloid nutters are known for their excessive caps lock use - have they actually been pressing Shift the whole time? Do they not even know about caps lock?