#714

Those song titles, fucks sake

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#715

I guess the only way we can hear Ryan Adams say he’s sorry is if he benefits financially :thinking:

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#716

This has made me realise that you posted a German website link before and

Isn’t the name of the album.

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#717

he can get fucking fucked

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#718

That’s German for ‘The Ryan Adams, The’.

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#719

From what I can work out, this album and these titles were in the can before the abuse came to light. It was announced before the NYT article, but even so, yeah…

Listening now (fully accept I’ll be one of the few here who does) and so far it’s the best thing he’s released in a long time. Low key but with less self-mythologising and more plainspoken honesty (things like his brother’s death, alcoholism, etc). His self pity certainly sounds like never before though - it’s just an impossible sell.

It’s a strange thing to approach. I’ve listened to, loved and cherished some of his stuff - he was probably one of the most important artists in my life and indirectly led me to my own line of work, as well as countless other artists. But then, I haven’t listened to a single note of his since the allegations…

Now I’m listening to this from a different angle. I’m fascinated by problematic characters, real and imagined, I have some experience with them. Now I want to read/see/hear perspectives from killers, rapists, abusers, etc, because it informs my own work - I go into it fully accepting the artifice: that they might just be trying to pull the wool over my eyes and manipulate me. That, in these instances, becomes a part of my analysis of the work.

And that breaks my heart a bit to write, tbh.

This man was a hero and idol for years - I can just no longer hear him as the romantic protagonist he paints himself as, but simply as a guy spinning tales to try and gain sympathy - (yet all the same with flashes of truth coming through - some from a unique if admittedly unpleasant perspective.)

I’d never go and see him again, or purchase his work. I can’t imagine going back and listening to his old albums either - as they seem somehow illegitimate, just things he said to get someone into bed. Yet, weirdly, his new work is stark to me: it’s either naked confession or evil manipulation, and I want to look closely at both those things. A weird uncomfortable thing to admit but true for me. It’s raining here and I’m halfway down a bottle of vodka. Ryan Adams is a disappointing man, a bad and a failed one.

The listen reminds me of Brand New’s Science Fiction, which I think I’ve gone back to three or four times since the allegations there. Mainly? It’s just all the fucking way round sad.

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#720

TLDR: a fine album but by no means a great one. Late era Adams where even the best stuff is basically workmanlike.

#721

Can we delete this thread?

Or at least this promo bit.

#722

He really IS a prick tho.

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#723

Surely not. This is a really important conversation, with one of the bigger DIS related shames. Don’t just chuck that opportunity away.

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#724

I think setting out his crimes is important and I also think the discussion about how we relate to music made by people like him, especially people to whom he’s previously meant a lot like @josephk, is an important and valuable one. People are sensible enough not to see the discussion as a ‘promo’ I think, and we can all make our own decisions as to how we want to relate to Adams now. I certainly don’t want to listen to his music now and can’t imagine relating to it at all, but I wouldn’t want to condemn others for taking a different view (so long as they don’t minimise or ignore what he’s done).

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#725

yeh i know but im now tempted to listen to the album

i know you’re all right of course

used to be a big fan - prick

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#726

Totally. He was one of my favourites and the story currently has no ending or closure so not sure what to do with it other than just sort of chuck him in the bin in support of the victims. There is a big bit in the middle of this story with which I am uncomfortable though and that is conflating saying mean things to his wife / sexing up rising stars with wanking off in front of a child.

I’ve found that bit really unhelpful, and quite disrespectful to that particular victim.

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#727

As a curious former fan who has avoided listening to him since the allegations broke, I bargained myself down to listening to the first 29 seconds of each track last night, with the intention of slamming the Spotify brakes so that the prick doesn’t even get his $0.00005 from me. Had my ‘wtf did I ever see in this guy?’ moment precisely 15 seconds into the first track, so moved on to The Avalanches and had a bit of a midnight bop instead. He meant a lot to me for many years, but life really is too short to tolerate this self-pitying, perma-victim sadsack.

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#728

Totally agree with this, and his behaviour since the allegations came out has been weak as fuck. But, still think that is a distraction to the real crime of wanking off in front of a child.

I just don’t get why everything is thrown together as equally bad.

#729

People suck, basically. The level of cognitive dissonance going on is maddening. Some of the same friends who’ve spent the last 4 years dunking on the likes of Trump, Weinstein, Depp more recently, are all losing their shit over this album and brazenly fawning over the guy all over social media. I don’t get it at all.

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#730

I’m not going to listen to it but I highly doubt there’s an apology amongst those lyrics. Unless it’s a ‘sorry if you were offended by my actions’ sort of thing.

#731

No I meant the song called “I’m sorry” thats the only way we’ll hear him utter the word “I’m sorry” in any context and we have to pay for the privilege.
And just to clarify for anyone in any doubt. I was a massive fan of his. I have every release at least once on vinyl, almost every 7" single etc. It’s all worthless to me now. The man’s a pure piece of shit and I want nothing to do with him. I have zero interest in listening to the view of abusers, rapists and murderers or giving this a listen out of curiosity. If others do good luck to them. Ryan Adams can fuck off.

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#732

Ah right, I’m with you. And well said.

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#733

:+1:.