Scottish Independence II: The Bloodening

[hip_young_gunslinger]

Sturgeon announces new referendum bill

What does @TheWza think of all this?

[NickDS]

c/p from Brexit thread:

Can someone explain where we at with Brexit?

Yeah last referendum I was for Scotland staying with the UK as I was the UK staying with the EU but now, fair enough if we actually Brexit I hope they break away and stay EU members then I’ll go live there. Just a shame London can’t do the same.

Of course would that lead to the question of a hard border between Scotland and England? So funny if so. Is that the country leavers wanted back?

[eems]

i reckon broadly in favour

[Jeremys_Iron]

What does @TheWza think of all this?

I imagine he’s very excited for a new referendum.

[eems]

honestly don’t know how i’ll vote, can you decide for me please dis:

• fuckin aye
• gosh no

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[marckee]

I reckon he’s had to nip to the loo to spaff one out.

[littlebirds]

Spain already said it’d veto Scottish membership cos it doesn’t want the Catalans getting any ideas

[NickDS]

Well yeah, but if they had to do it between Scotland and England I think that would make leavers take more notice.

[crisps]

If Scotland leave the UK but join the EU, are they getting control of their country back?

[VincentAdultman]

Great news. I hope they make the right decision this time.

[littlebirds]

They said immediately following the Brexit referendum that they would not support Scottish EU membership. Could be an empty threat though, and if things continue as they are now, Scotland may prefer to be independent with or without the EU

[NickDS]

Ffs. We should just get rid of countries, either become one super state or just lots of tiny states like it used to be.

[bird]

I reckon he’s had to nip to the loo to spaff one out

@_Em to thread!

[eems]

from the guardian

“The latest poll, published on Thursday by the Herald from BMG, found independence does not have a majority and that only 12% of voters would switch to back leaving the UK if there was a hard Brexit. It found 47% were against independence, 38% in favour and 12% undecided.”

That 12% would be decisive then?

[SenorDingDong]

Would Scotland be negotiating an exit from the UK and an entrance to the EU while the UK negotiate an exit from the EU?

Are there enough negotiators to handle all of this?

[jordan_229]

Lol

[colinzealuk]

I really think it would be no again

This is why I don’t think Sturgeon’s serious about holding another referendum in the near future - I don’t think the SNP can’t afford to lose a second one within a decade of the first. It’s probably no more than an attempt to negotiate better terms for Scotland from Westminster.

[VincentAdultman]

Hi SDD. Can you make a “This is the 2pm to 2:59pm thread” please? That was always my favourite one.

[SenorDingDong]

Is this JohnM?

I’d love to, but think it would be a betrayal of the intimacy that developed on the errors board in those final weeks. Treasured memories.

[still_here]

Like I said on Brexit Day, there are no good options for Scotland now. Whatever the merits of an indy scotland at the time of the first ref, today the whole dynamic is completely different, from everything to trade, free movement, public finances (incl. oil) etc etc. People may want Scotland to stay in Europe cos of the economic benefits and free movement, but leaving a brexited UK will have much the same effect for Scotland as the UK leaving the EU.

Yet I wouldn’t wish staying in the UK on anyone.

If you really want to open a big can of worms you could talk about the effect the indyref had on the 2015 general election, and therefore Brexit. I reckon I’ll leave it though.