#2609

Oh god, he really IS Olaf from Frozen…

#2610

TBH the biggest problem for this trilogy has always been the existence of the original trilogy characters and the chance to do a film that covers the same epic lengths but without them being fully involved. I think they’ve mostly handled that okay but probably it would have been better to get everyone into TFA + Lando and then find some way to minimise them.

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#2611
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#2612

Might get one

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#2613

Big fans of Knives Out clearly.

#2614

Gad hounded Ridley for SW spoilers while they both filmed Murder On The Orient Express, posting videos of his attempts online. IIRC one contained Judi Dench getting involved, asking Ridley if she was a Skywalker or some such!

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#2615

Don’t forget to vote, people!

palp

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#2616

Good quote from JJ re: TLJ…

“On the other hand,” he added, “it’s a bit of a meta approach to the story. I don’t think that people go to ‘Star Wars’ to be told, ‘This doesn’t matter.’”

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#2617

And lots of stories about John Boyega saying he thought TLJ was a “bit iffy” - while I agree on both counts, clearly the machine is in motion…

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#2618

Agree with JJ on that one, one of the things I hate about TLJ is that it changed the thematic structure completely, it is no longer plucky underdogs mythic good vs evil. It introduces complexity, this capitalist class arms dealers that haven’t been seen before, and the idea the rebels are bad too for keeping the cycle of violence going. This is ridiculous, the empire/first order are genocidal fascists, the rebels/resistance are selfless freedom fighters. It’s totally the horse shoe ‘bad people on both sides’ argument, and in my view it actually puts down the original films by presenting it as more enlightened

#2619

I think I agree, oh man can’t wait to see this in the cinema again

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#2620

I hope one day there is a special edition where they crudely cgi in a character that says ‘huh, why did no one think of that before?’

#2621

Probably because no-one had a serious reason to attempt such a crazy stunt within the films? No-one is going to go kamikaze unless it’s the absolute last resort.

#2622

No one has to be in the space ship, put a timer on it

#2623

I don’t agree with that at all. TLJ didn’t really add that much more complexity than already existed. It introduced gun runners and war profiteers, but the universe already had crime families like the Hutts and bounty hunters who are happy to opportunistically make money from the war. The arms dealers aren’t so different. And the only person who claims any kind of equivalency between the empire and the rebellion is Benicio Del Toro’s character, to whom they are all the same. Endless war is a pretty good status quo for him, what does he care who’s right and wrong? To the folks on the casino planet the war is something that happens to other people, right up till the point it isn’t. Much like Lando in Empire they just want to be left alone. But to the viewer the line between good and evil is still clearly drawn.

The only really blurring of that line is in Kylo killing Snoke. But pretty much all Siths kill their masters sooner or later. It just happened a bit sooner than expected in Kylo, and his motivations for doing so are a bit murkier.

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#2624

It took a big ol’ ship to pull it off though. How many of those does a rag-tag rebellion have lying around?

#2625

I think it is a persistent theme throughout the film, from poe’s behaviour, Luke’s rejection of the Jedi way and non physical show down, Rose’s ‘save the ones you love’ speech, the constant talk of leaving both old ways behind, it mocks the naivety of the OT

I agree there was grey areas in the originals, slave owners, criminals, bounty hunters but they were operating within a wider framework of good vs evil, they weren’t the architects they are the unscrupulous people who fill up the power vacuums. Whereas TLJ presents this gun runner class as the real power behind the system, benefiting either way no matter which side is winning

#2626

Little ship would still do damage I reckon

#2627

I really don’t think it does mock the OT at all. Poe’s journey, much like Finn’s, is all about how gung ho heroism and needless self-sacrifice aren’t what’s needed at that point. It’s community, to band together for a greater good. Most of the talk of leaving the old ways behind comes from Kylo, our bad guy. Luke’s rejection of the Jedi way comes after his temple collapsed due a mistake he made, something that’s clearly traumatised him. For me RJ was trying to make his own Empire, a similarly murkier take on the SW universe to provide the dark moments before the inevitable light at the end of the trilogy. I know you’ll never agree with the choices RJ made but the idea he was mocking SW or deliberately sabotaging it seems wild to me.

I feel like the gun runners, much like the nefarious elements in the background of the original trilogy, just point to their being a big universe out there. Not everyone is bound up in this conflict - for a lot of people it’ll probably just blow over and there’ll be a new power and a new war sometime later. I didn’t get the sense they were the real power as it were, just that they’re the main benefactors of these conflicts. Star Wars’ own disaster capitalists. It was a neat touch imo.

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#2628

Would probably get shot down though. It was a clever move in a big ship because no one would be mad enough to attempt it, so why would you prepare for it?