#1608

Well, against the logic portrayed there, there is still scope for releases in 2021, 2023 and 2025…

But as @guntrip has eluded perhaps that’ll be too much saturation and Disney are thinking long and hard about what to do, plus let them get 9 out of the way seeing as it is out in three months (today!) Hence Johnson can’t say anything concrete right now.

All this ‘negatively stoking any news about the RJ trilogy based on no facts’ solely against a guy who wrote and directed a film is quite sad (and I’m not saying you did that here btw, just something I see fairly regularly online).

#1609

This is, I think, the most likely scenario isn’t it. It’s is why Solo was kept so quiet; to avoid The Last Jedi. It was why, they had only five months to drum up interest; and the first few months were fucked fromt he conversation about Episode VIII.

#1610

Solo was very good. Same for that King Arthur movie.

#1611

Covered this about nine months and 500 posts ago, but the reason you’re seeing cheap merchandise is because Toys R Us went bust and other retailers bought up their stock for pennies on the pound and can afford to sell it cheap and still make their margins. It has nothing to do with the perceived popularity or otherwise of TLJ.

And as someone who deals with that kind of thing day in day out for his job, I can also say that TLJ did not underperform on (UK) home release.

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#1612

But the basic disagreement on this is whether it is weird it’s still up in the air, I think that stands, it is a little weird. We know the schedule, we know they have said there won’t be a film a year, logically putting his films well into the future, yet he talks about it like it’s maybe after his next film, doesn’t match up, maybe doesn’t mean anything but at least a little weird.

I think stoking up negative news around RJ is understandable, I obviously don’t think he deserves the death threats and abuse he has got, but he has also gleefully got involved in belittling the critics of his film so I understand why when news comes up which does throw some doubt on his future involvement (not for certain but you’ve got to admit if his involvement was on the rocks this is exactly how it will play out, in vagueness and then eventually citing scheduling conflicts so everyone can save face)

#1613

Washington post article says it underperformed by £200m and also covers the toy aspect

#1614

I wasn’t getting away from anything - you simply re-enforced your viewpoint yet again, while not really engaging with anything I’ve added in, so your ‘nah’ just made me chuckle.

Seriously, you’ve NEVER seen anyone who dislikes TLJ pick on someone who does?! That’s pretty unbelievable if you’re truly open-minded on this subject… wow. I’ve see both sides give it plenty, but the so-called haters I’ve seen normally become very quiet, especially after they’ve try to derail other people’s conversations in the first place, when handed logical explanations on why the film works.

I’m not for one second belittling your personal POV on the film btw, I’m just telling you my experiences since TLJ came out. Most of the backlash continues to come from a smaller group of concerned parties that just constantly rail against Johnson, Kennedy and the treatment of legacy characters. That’s how I perceive it and I’m not even a massive TLJ fan (took me two viewings to really get into it, but now I prefer it to TFA and I’m stoked for IX!).

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#1615

Yeah cool - if his trilogy does eventually ‘go away’ I won’t be crying my heart out, but a lot of people’s vitriol in this regard is very unnerving.

#1616

oh, what’s the point

#1617

I see your edit and you are just proving me right, have to paint people who disagree as ‘bad people’ rather than accept a lot of people don’t like it and that’s valid

#1618

really weird take

#1619

Am I? Is that I’m doing? I don’t think so, just frustrated at your continued refusal to engage with anything that doesn’t fit your idea of what this film is.

#1620

I’ve seen a lot of heated TLJ debate. Amongst the critics there is obviously the problematic regressive element, but generally the critics stick to the criticism of the film, whereas the fans of the film spend as much time criticising the critics than addressing the criticism. For example:

-the critics just want to be spoon fed fan service (ie they are dummies not discerning viewers like tlj fans who know what to truly appreciate£
-they are alt right incels
-they actually don’t exist, it’s just a small vocal minority

These are the things I can honestly say I’ve not seen the equivalent on the other side, we just tend to bang on about Luke Skywalker

#1621

Nope. I literally don’t care if people like it or not, that is someone’s own preference, the whole crux of my argument is that people should accept people criticism is valid for them and not try and paint them as bad people or down play their existence

#1622

You didn’t quote for full context

#1623

so you don’t think it’s “understandable” for people to stoke up negative news about a person in the film industry who made a film they don’t like?

#1624

“Understandable” /= “I endorse it”

You can understand why something has happened and the factors that have contributed to it without condoning the thing.

#1625

Not all pro-TLJ fans argue like that, so it is unfair to paint them all as such (much as it is not to paint all TLJ-haters as the same).

But, come on man, go onto YouTube or most social platforms and you’ll see videos/thoughts of people bashing TLJ in regards to feminism, social justice and other things non-story based…

#1626

I think it’s fine, it’s not like he just tried his best and some people didn’t like it, he has been very actively antagonistic towards critics, doing many of the things I have pointed out in this thread, I.e painting the critics as flawed rather than just people with valid opinions, as such I am perfectly comfortable for people to speculate this vague news about his trilogy might might mean it might not happen, I don’t see that as super negative but an understandable response for some people

#1627

Citation needed.