I’ve already clearly differentiated the obvious regressive, I’ve never said they they don’t exist. Most pro TLJ do make those arguments especially on this board

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I’m not up to date with what he’s said but I’m sure whatever it is is a pretty proportional response to getting death threats and the like.

Yeah, he banters back a bit which is his prerogative.

“Artist defends art - news at 11.”

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What does this mean?

The Last Thread-i

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But to say you’ve “honestly” never seen, in almost two years, any backlash other than ‘Oh poor Luke Skywalker, they’ve treated you unkindly so what a crap film!’ kinda strikes me as being a bit blinkered.

Desperately wish I could stop engaging with this train wreck

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Ron Howard voice: Much like the director of a certain franchise spinoff, he couldn’t

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i love it.

@ttf honestly just seems like he dislikes the film for valid reasons and that’s fine. it’s just a film, lads.

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he even said he likes the porgs, what more do you want

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That would be valid if he was responding to that.

Seriously guys you are just demonstrating what I’m talking about, you are all the discerning non alt right film fans who can appreciate true art, the critics are vocal alt right incel minority or we don’t actually exist. Just accept some people don’t like it and that’s valid

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Let’s get back on track here:

How does Palpatine return in Episode 9?

  • Clone
  • Never actually died & been hiding
  • Spirit hopping from host to host
  • Sith ghost
  • Flashback
  • "Wow, what a crazy dream, and I’m running late to meet Lord Vader on the second Death Star…! "

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Fair play matey - what about TLJ got your goat? There’s a couple of things in there that I’m not so down with myself.

I do prefer TLJ to TFA these days though, and Rogue is definitely a contender for ‘best of the new lot’.

it was boring, mainly.

the luke skywalker bits were shite - felt a bit like game of thrones where the story was written by a couple of edgelords whose sole purpose was to ‘subvert expectations’. the ex stormtrooper who becomes a good guy is crap - i dislike how he’s maybe as big a character as Rey and I think the comedic bits and that weird romance he has with the technical woman are rubbish. why did they kill off snoke like that? he was one of the few things I liked about the films - brought an air of mystery to the plot that the other star wars films had. kylo ren looks like/sounds like he was solely created for star wars neckbeards who wish they could be in the film. I basically don’t care at all about the plot any more - its just the same as the older films with the having to destroy a big weapon thing. not enough lightsaber action.

i mean, I could go on.

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I don’t believe I have ever engaged with you on the merits of the film (being a horror fan means I rarely care what other people think on a film), so I think I’m in a safe place to respond here.

What drives me up the wall is your regular “it’s a bit weird…”s that try to extrapolate things beyond the film itself that prove why it’s bad, and how you basically ignore the most of the (usually polite, fair) responses.

It’s not a bit weird that there wasn’t an iron clad plot for the trilogy, because individual directors don’t drive these franchises - producers do. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of the model to think that subsequent directors were beholden to whatever JJ intended with plot elements set up in TFA. You may not like the way they were resolved - that’s absolutely valid. But it is not “a bit weird” that JJ’s intentions were not carried through - it’s just the nature of the business.

It’s not a bit weird that we don’t know much about RJ’s trilogy. Disney does lots of work in the background, and likes big flashy announcements. Their other franchises show this clearly. Of course, it may not happen, or it may shift around. Four of the five recent SW movies have been beset by production issues. But, again, because he’s not sat there in interviews for his own film saying “ah yes, my trilogy is out in x, y and z”, it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.

Why am I doing this

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Wow, that’s OK, you’ve said enough :wink:

I hear you about the humour - some of it is jarring, much as it is in TFA. Too modern to play seamlessly in a space opera, although some of the humour in the OT is overt (but I guess it gets a pass because I was too young to care about the writing in that sense).

I didn’t enjoy Snoke being slayed initially but now I think it was a masterstroke in terms of creating more mystery. And that should play better if Palpatine’s return is tied into it - we shall see.

Would also agree it drags at times, but I like all the stuff with Luke and Rey personally. It didn’t strike me that no lightsabers clashed together in the film, pretty mad really, but on repeated viewings I don’t think the film suffers because of it.

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fair enough. i know people who liked it and people who don’t. guess its not everyone’s cup of tea.

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Far too rational a view for Film DiS, ratchet that up a bit mate

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