That final showdown in the snowy planet with blood salt or whatever it was was fucking stunning visually eh?

Dead proud that little ol’ Rian Johnson got to make a proper fucking Star Wars film! Never saw that coming!

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IMAX on Thursday, can’t wait!

Big fight scenes in films across the past 10 years have been largely painful to watch for me, the camera just goes nuts with shaking about all over the place and there’s a million cuts and I’m just confused as to what’s going on. The action scenes here were all perfectly clear, I caught every singe beat of them. For a film where so much of the story is told through action, that’s a great thing, and made it a joy to watch.

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I think there are differences between Snoke and the Emperor. The emperor wasn’t much of a presence in the original trilogy, a glimpse in Empire, but only really comes into it at the end of Jedi, it works, their is a shadowy puppet master who is revealed close to the end, that works quite well dramatically. He isn’t much of a character in his own right, he represents one side of the conflict inside vader, we don’t need to know anything beyond that.

Snoke is set up as more of a character in his own right, has several scenes, plans, people on both sides name check him, for him to be suddenly killed off just seems really unsatisfying. I don’t think he serves much of a purpose, Kylo’s conflict seems to be different, he just doesn’t want to kill Rey, its not some return to the light purpose, and therefore Snokes role is another thing that seems completely mechanical element to the story, rather than representing anything. Really feels like a needless character, could have just had Kylo and reworked it slightly. Just seems a moment designed to surprise, doesn’t really resonate with anything else. (Reckon it would have been better if Kylo killed him out of some pure machiavellian desire for power, to signify just how dangerous and powerful he has become).

As for Rey, I don’t mind she was not related to anyone. But disagree it was purely fuelled by the fans that her origins would have some importance, her flashbacks to the burning of the Jedi temple and then her own abandonment, her little orange x-wing pilot doll, Snoke’s references to ‘the girl’. I think it is strongly implied, and that was deliberate, maybe they always planned to mislead this way, but that doesn’t make it any less unsatisfying. Either way, nothing is really made about her search for her family, which is set up as an important character strand for her regardless of who they were

Bring back George Lucas I say

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Maybe the real star wars were the friends we made along the way

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like, just occurred to me, I don’t even really get why, after snoke, kylo bothers pursuing the rebels, he has been conflicted, hesitated over leia, no beef with rey, seems more nihilistic than evil, can understand why he would want to go after luke be he doesn’t know he won’t be there, just seems like the plot continuing on autopilot. Just feels like yet another missing part, what is it that makes him commit to the dark

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I’m sorry that you didn’t enjoy it.

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Rian Johnson is the one that needs to apologise

You should try his low-budget debut ‘Brick’ it’s a real winner in my opinion.

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The film has an ‘A’ Cinemascore. I think Cinemascore is just as meaningless as RT audience rating, but it just illustrates that it’s pointless focusing on these things

It looks like on Cinemascore, nearly everything gets an A, so would agree that doesn’t mean much. RT on the other hand, there is a range of scores between films, and films like star wars tend to do well so its score is surprising. I don’t think RT is in any way representative, but I wouldn’t say it is meaningless either, clearly this film has not landed well with a certain segment of its audience, in a way that no other star wars film has. That is note worthy.

I don’t think ‘the last jedi has been received well’ or ‘the last jedi has been received badly’ are necessarily mutually exclusive statements, both clusters exist, and the size of the negative cluster is meaningful regardless of whether it is the minority.

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lets do the only poll that matters, this dis one:

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ttf ITT

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No one understands Star Wars except me

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I was properly thinking “lolwut dickheads, that just looks like an iron”.

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5/10 user score on metacritic roughly even split between like/dislike, with a smattering of mixed

Enjoyed it.

Biggest disappointment was Rose kissing Fin. On the other hand the cruiser cutting Snoke’s ship in half and the blood planet were fantastic. Really enjoying Kylo’s arc in this film too. Last time out I felt like he was a budget Vader, this time he had real presence and purpose.

Can’t understand the backlash tbh, but then I’m largely coming to this trilogy fresh (only saw 4-6) twice a long while back I think.

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Went with some total star wars junkies and they mostly hated it. Thought it was alright but a lot of the plot was very thrown together. But at least Johnson wasn’t playing it safe by remaking empire strikes back, despite there being clear similarities, which surely he has to get credit for?

Disagree with ttf about the whole Luke character thingy but then I’m not some star wars fanatic - loved the originals as a kid and since then have mostly maintained interest through the aforementioned pals who are fanboys and their kids.

Finn was wasted, benicio del Toro annoying and pointless, the casino bit and its social commentary was total shite, Leia flying was badly executed.

Kylie and Rey tag team was decent, as was the salt flats and the meatiness of the bombing run at the beginning.

I think people have elevated the force awakens beyond its actual quality because of the immense relief that it wasn’t shite.

A very flawed film but does enough to earn a 6/10.

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