Imagine if Adam Driver played Anakin
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Knowing JJ Abrams, you can probably just watch the prequels for that 
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I would argue that he didnât. A clear goal maybe. But wiping out half of life IN THE UNIVERSE because your own planet got wrecked is a huge and irrational overreaction.
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After the defeat of the Empire at the end of RotJ and establishment of a new Republic, the galaxy had pretty quickly just gone back to rising fascism, widespread kidnap and enslavement of minors (Finn, Rey, the kids on Casiozoneworld), forever wars, and arms dealers still profiteering off it all. Kylo Ren grew up in the new Republic and had a better view of the neolib bullshit and ended up getting suckered in to fascism. Makes total sense that Kylo would want to take over the First Order and try something different rather than just go back to the Republic with Rey, it obviously didnât work.
The big question TLJ asked is how do we stop the forever war, canât just repeat the OT ending because itâll just backslide again. The door was open for part 9 to address that. Iâd say it wouldâve been nice to have some kind of dream of Leiaâs to have a more lasting peace that isnât a top-down government thing but more people have the power hippy shit, and thatâs brought forward by Finn leading a Stormtrooper rebellion, becoming a figurehead as the Stormtrooper who refused to fight, and he inspires them all to no longer be weapons for somebody else. They have a mass strike and go do space communism, Finn and Poe kiss, tie in the Casinozoneworld kids and Roseâs home planet, everybodyâs happy. Rey and Kylo have a final showdown, she chucks away her lightsaber like Luke, Kylo canât bring himself to kill her and is bummed out by all his guys having walked away, he lives on and takes part in some kinda restorative justice, timejump forward to new Jedis but doing a decentralised non hierarchical commuist Jedi order where they donât just do lightsabers but do force-powered community work.
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Also Kylo wouldâve been motivated by his love for Rey - the only person in the whole damn galaxy who understands him. And isnât that the oldest motivation of all?
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YES!
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George Lucas really made a Star Wars trilogy about how Liberalism inevitably leads to fascism, and private boarding schools turn vulnerable kids into super fucked up adults with a direct path into positions of power, and you all had the temerity to say that theyâre shit! they are quite shit, but in a very fun and interesting way
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I like Kylo Ren. Sad and frustrated and angry with patriarchal figures in his life whoâre emotionally manipulative and violent, trying to make him like them. Got all these feelings inside him that he doesnât understand, cries a lot. Likes to dress all in black, grows his hair long, tries to disguise his face and voice, changes his name. Only person he vibes with is this one weird girl who says sheâs like him and he kinda feels that, but he finds that implication pretty scary.
Itâs 2022, The Last Jedi thread is back, weâre doing a queer reading of Kylo Ren. ooooh yes
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Thought Colin Trevorrowâs treatment for Episode IX with Kylo going to study with a Sith master (basically Luke and Yoda in Empire but Dark Side?) could have had promise. Better than some guff about squinting at a knife to find things anyway.
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Yeah enjoyed reading that. Liked the bit at the beginning where Finn, Rose, Poe and Rey steal a star destroyer
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Me too - someone on here said I was a huge geek for even remembering them, but they were so prominent in the trailers and stuff, could have been proper bad ass. They also never really capitalised on Kyloâs immense power - the first time we saw him, he did the coolest thing he ever did (stopped the blaster bolt in mid air) and it was all downhill from there.
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