#1153

This hits the nail on the head for me. (Though, not saying @ttf is arguing for that at all).

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#1154

Just to confirm that I havenā€™t read the full thread so certainly donā€™t know what individuals have said here - just referencing what Iā€™ve seen on Twitter/Reddit and the news about the petition. No shade directed at individuals here at all.

#1155

I enjoyed this tweet today

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#1156

hahaha just looked up that petition that is pathetic

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#1157

Guess I donā€™t see any conflict in Rey, sure we are told she is drawn to the dark side but I donā€™t see that in any of her actions

#1158

Did you ever believe Luke would turn?

#1159

Donā€™t think Iā€™ve seen any criticism that suggests it should have worked in some hardcore fan only mythology, the most common thing is about how it just discarded the groundwork of the previous film, some see it as bold others immensely frustrating, seems like more of a TVs show type move, where hey have the space to do that kind of confounding disposal

#1160

Probably not but he at least lashes out in anger a few times to suggest itā€™s possible

#1161

I wouldnā€™t say that people have been explicitly complaining about the lack of a hardcore twist/reveal but I think itā€™s implicit. I can certainly see how that if youā€™ve invested decades into these characters and thought about them and lived with them then some of the choices will certainly be jarring and disappointing compared to expectations. I have definitely experienced that with some pop culture that I have lived with (being disappointed with strange new directions with bands, The Simpsons post Season 10).

I am in no way saying that fans canā€™t be disappointed with the film as it does make controversial decisions.

What I am saying (again, not directly to you, but to some of the commentary Iā€™ve read online) is that not having a theory on Snokeā€™s backstory (for example) but still enjoying the film is perfectly valid too, and doesnā€™t make people ā€˜lesserā€™ fans of the franchise (and it certainly doesnā€™t destroy any childhoods).

#1162

Havenā€™t seen much talk about ā€˜lesser fansā€™, seen much more besmirching from the positive side with their characterisation of the critics, some seem to even enjoy the idea it disappointed people (not saying you are but some are quite gleeful about it)

#1163

Thought Poeā€™s arc was really good by the way. Went from being Wayne Rooney the superstar striker to Wayne Rooney the space finding, long ball playing number 10 he now is, in two hours.

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#1164

So Rey having the opportunity to do the same to Luke isnā€™t the same?

#1165

What does she do except get a bit annoyed and leave

#1166

Yeh itā€™s a complete shitshow on all sides. Some people will like it, some wonā€™t. I suppose itā€™s the same in all aspects of social media now - youā€™re in one camp or the other and thereā€™s no room for appreciating the other. I do feel bad for people who are disappointed as I know how painful it can feel to watch something you love not go in a way that resonates with you, and Star Wars has this affect on people multiplied by the decades and childhoods of millions.

My main concern is that the outcry makes Episode IX (and future films) too safe - it would be easy now for example for Disney to calm the fanbase and say ā€œKylo manipulated Rey - her parents are actuallyā€¦ā€ and stick it to a safe and solid conclusion. Rian was a bold choice for director and I would hate to see other ā€˜left-of-centreā€™ director choices shy away from taking on a big budget franchise like this to avoid the backlash (Iā€™ve seen a fair few tweets at Rian saying heā€™s ruined the whole Star Wars saga) - why would you put yourself through that abuse?!

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#1167

Probably would have made the code breaker Jar Jar Binks in a flash suit if I wrote it. 6/10.

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#1168

I just wished they had concentrated on making a good story rather than consciously respond to expectations, tfa no doubt played it too safe, this one decided to be a bold departure, two sides of the same coin, an all or nothing approach that put a strategy above story in my opinion

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#1169

She completely outpowers him due to her power and believing Ryloā€™s side of the story, she could kill him right there but has the ā€œlightā€ in her to at least let Luke explain himself

#1170

Iā€™m starting to think I must have had several microsleeps in this film and not taken things

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#1171

I never thought sheā€™d turn per se, but thatā€™s because the scene wasnā€™t about her choosing the dark side over the light. It was whether her attraction to Kylo and his ā€œnewā€ ideology was stronger than her feelings about the Jedi, and I did believe for a few seconds that could happen - so for me there was a lot of internal conflict. Would have been pretty interesting too, 3rd film having the two powerful Force users teaming up to make things the way they want it, and maybe it would take Finn to bring her back to the side of ā€œgoodā€?

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#1172

Good point - Iā€™ve never thought of it that way. I can definitely see how it in some respects it obviously signposted itā€™s attempt to subvert expectations (Luke literally throwing the lightsabre over his shoulder after the set up of TFA ending) - I can see how that pushes too far in a ā€œlook at me and how strange this isā€.

Episode IX will be interesting - it could literally go anywhere from here. I think now that theyā€™re slowly ridding themselves of the baggage of Luke, Han and Leia it will be a much better franchise now that they donā€™t have to resolve the legacies of those characters in an (impossibly) satisfactory way for everyone.

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