I very rarely read that thread, TBH.

I thought they made the point in the previous season? I mean when that came up in this season I felt like I was being reminded of this having come up previously.

Yes this I how I interpreted it

Fair, re Robin - my point is that it’s inconsistent. Her conversation with Steve where she says how jealous she was, where it heavily comes across as though she fancied him, is just so at odds with her being a lesbian. IMO that scene needed to be re-shot to account for the change.

I get what you’re saying about Max but she’s very different to S2 and not in an organic developed way, for me anyway.

The first half of this season, where the boys are in one group and the girls in another, really rubbed me up the wrong way. I hoped when Max was introduced and later when Eleven became a part of their gang, it would show that boys/girls can just be friends. Except the show doesn’t want to do that. All of the non-romantic relationships between the boy/girl characters are non existent e.g Mike not talking to Max, Will not talking to Eleven. The latter of which is egregious considering their shared experiences of the upside down.

I don’t think the writers know how to write friendships involving women, without resorting to them fancying each other. To me that’s cliched and tired. A lot of the writing this season feels lazy to me, like how Max and Eleven bond over boys instead of shared experiences, and Erica/Max/Robin are all very similar in their sassy wisecrackery.

The writing this season feels like so much of a step down to me (eg hopper throwing out tons of abusive red flags but getting no retribution, or the VERY cringey scene in the car where the conspiracy theorist, a character I despise, tells Hopper and Joyce to have sex) and I’m obviously quite let down by it.

Sorry for monologging/ranting. If other people are happy with S3 that’s great, I know it’s annoying when someone posts about how they don’t like something, in a thread where people are enjoying that thing. This show just isn’t clicking with me anymore and I loved S1, so I feel a bit crap.

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You don’t have to apologise at all! When I said the robin thing it wasn’t to catch you out, it was to say there’s definitely a reason why it would have felt inconsistent :slight_smile:

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I’m a bit split on this because I absolutely think the Duffer Brothers are punching above their weight here and have hit the limits of what they can really show us. But… I do think that whole puberty bit that we’re seeing is exactly when most male/female friendships in school get strained.

I recall that most of our year came back for a little party at our primary school a year after leaving for secondary school and one of the teachers said to us how much more we had automatically grouped into girl/boy splits in a way that hadn’t been a thing in primary school.

I think - and again, I felt like Mike being gay was brought up/established in a sense in the last season - that Elven and Mike are supposed to lack an easy friendship because they both have strong feelings for Will. This comes back to my point about the Duffers not really being as good writers as maybe we need, which is partly because you have a pulpy horror TV show that has become a 1980s character event thing, which I think causes other stuff to get in the way. So yeah, Mike and Eleven both being romantic rivals is a ‘don’t know’ area for me: both feels like it could happen but also somewhat too tropey and relying on ideas of female and male gay characters being too led by their emotions?

I actually didn’t know about the late switch for Robin’s sexuality. I just thought the impression she was infatuated with Steve was just a really deliberate twist that I sort of allowed based on the idea that in the mid 80s Robin might well want to pass for heterosexual. I mean in a sense if Steve’s meant to only be about (in her mind) the hottest girls in school then implying she fancied him is pretty safe if she doesn’t think he’d ever fancy her, while also being good cover. Dunno, I mean the fact is clearly what you’ve said: a sudden writing switch, but my interpretation was just a cheap reveal that didn’t seem clunky for me.

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I hate it in general in tv shows where there is a misdirection, but then you go back and rewatch it with the new knowledge and it doesnt seem to support the misdirection, and I guess Robin is an example of that, thought she was a really great character though and how they both react after the revelation is a nice moment.

agree about Max, she is basically a completely different character, I guess a year has passed where she has resolved some things, but it did seem like a completely different person. didnt think the relationships angle was too bad, it wasn’t like Eleven was just pining after mike, seemed to be about max helping eleven find herself a bit outside of mike. In terms of not having just male/female friendships, I dont know I think at that age friendship groups are quite unmixed.

with Will, depends where they go with it, they have dropped a few heavy hints, if they dont actually follow through on that it will seem a bit off

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I’ve never agreed with something more and you’ve explained it really well. Not sure it applies to this storyline but on a rewatxh I might agree. But the whole misdirection thing is so badly done by a whole load of texts and reasons for people behaving in the odd way, but not because of the obvious and expected reasons, is never explained or it never rings true.

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noticed it on season 6 of buffy recently (spoilered in case anyone doesnt want it spoiled): it is presented as spike visits some weird demon guru and has to complete a set of challenges in order to get the military chip that has been installed in that stops him killing people removed, only for it to be revealed he has been fighting for his soul to be reinstated. on rewatch he is totally not fighting for his soul back

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I actually had both readings, yes he’s younger/less mature/developed potentially because of the ordeal he’s had but also there did feel like a very intentional force to the way Mike said that to him as @Otto says

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Isn’t there a bit in season 2 where his mum says how he is not like other boys, and there is a loaded pause but then goes on to clarify that she didn’t mean like that. So I think they are deliberately bluring the two interpretations

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This is shit but worth noting for a lot of those 22-episode per season shows on network TV they can be writing as they go or having to rewrite stuff in light of show heads telling them how the ratings are doing, or because of actors leaving. So what I mean is it’s forgivable even if it’s frustrating in a way that it shouldn’t be forgivable for Stranger Things…although I guess in this case it is a last minute rewrite, albeit for different reasons.

In Season 2 she is being abused by Billy but at the end IIRC she and the others threaten him so that he agrees to leave her alone after that so her home life is effectively very different.

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I find it less annoying in TV shows than I do in films where clearly there is less excuse for it.

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Watched all three series in the last couple of weeks. It’s basically the goonies isn’t it? Like not even thinly veiled. Season three was great, I can’t even remember much of season two and I only watched it last week. The fun bits are the best bits, I tended to switch off when it got serious. Steve has a single out on the radio in real life :neutral_face:

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Watched the first two episodes last week and then binged the rest yesterday.

I really don’t understand why they turned Hopper into a complete arsehole, especially for him to then die at the end. Hate the way he was with Eleven /Mike and how pushy, shouty and aggressive he was with Joyce. I was hoping they might get together after Bob’s death but his behaviour in this series ruined that for me. Disappointing.

I LOVE Steve. He’s just the best and I’m with @pervo in wanting to make a Scoops Ahoy uniform for my Halloween costume. I liked how quickly he went from obliviousness to acceptance with Robins confession and straight back to their friendly, jokey banter.

Enjoyed season 3. The show is so great visually, I find it really aesthetically pleasing.

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Do you ever watch Pretty Much It on YT? They are OBSESSED with the Hellboy allusions

oooh, I might start then.

Depends on your tolerance for two friends obnoxiously shouting in jokes but I find them real funny (though I prefer when they watch really awful Netflix films)