Ali has played 3 red ball games in 3 years. Baffling that he couldn’t bat out a day 5 draw against a top test attack.

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In it is the nugget of what needs to be done to improve our red ball game though.

It’s never going to happen, but the number of sides competing in the championship needs reducing to 10 or 12 concentrating the talent and increasing the quality of the cricket. Fund some proper star overseas players, if they’re interested.

I’d probably split it into two conferences, play home and away, top of each play off for the championship. Get it done in @ 12 weeks in between a 3 test series early summer and 4 / 5 test series at the end.

Not against this plan at all really. Assuming you can work out a way to take the step down to 12 counties it ought to make a competitive red ball competition that isn’t bloated and partly resembles the Australian system.

But the issue isn’t really the competition or the amount of games - they’ve all played 10 games with a few to come. The issue is when it’s played, in the worst conditions of the summer, right at the beginning and right at the end. Fact is that whatever red ball competition you cook up the ecb will prioritise all other cricket over it, won’t release England players for it and will generally treat it like a headache to be endured.

And I get it, the short format stuff brings in crowds and money, and cricket badly needs both. But we will have a shit test team until that changes if it ever does. I fear we are heading to a rolling calendar of T20 leagues around the world and the long format will become a weird curio for the terminally nostalgic.

The commentary is ahead of the pictures on the BBC again. So annoying (sorry to be talking about the hundred when it’s to blame for England losing)

Maybe we should move the school holidays instead? Say three weeks each in June and September, do all the hundred and T20 stuff then, and save July and August for the proper cricket. Europe is increasingly going to be on fire during those months anyway. May as well adapt and get a decent test team.

Ludicrous display of striking by Livingstone.

And 3 good wickets too.

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Livingstone to open for the test side

Can’t really do any worse. Would at least have the potential for a bit of entertainment. If we’re going to be 40 of for 3 May as well be a few sixes in there.

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He could become one of the best white ball batsmen in the next couple of years couldn’t he?

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subthread:

can anyone offer advice on buying a bat?

is there anything out there that’s alright and affordable?

would rather solicit advice here than google it or whatever

also:

anyone play? anyone want to? any advice on joining a club?

Happy to help (with the aid of a bullet point list that goes on forever, sorry):

  • Bats can be quite expensive - I got one recently that was ā€œlower endā€, and it was still about Ā£85, but it works okay so far.

  • That said, I’ve been playing cricket for a decade and mostly just borrowed somebody else’s bat - most people aren’t too precious at village cricket sorta level.

  • If you do join a club, it’s probably worth joining one that’s local to you and relatively friendly, and seeing if they have a Sunday or evening league team to begin with.

  • I’ve started playing for my local team where I live, and they’re an adequate bunch of lads - if you can find a GBoC that you get one with then that’s always good, regardless of the standard.

  • It is sorta the end of the season, I’m thinking of seeing if there are any indoor leagues in Manchester over the winter, will let you know if I find any. Indoor cricket is quite fun (imho), but I don’t know what the standard would be like. Might be really good tbh

  • I’ve got some spare bits and pieces of kit that I’d be happy to lend/give if you do find you fancy it. Got a spare pair of gloves which I bought and used for a single innings of 10 runs off about 29 balls. Proper batting. I also have some spare ā€œprotectiveā€ gear, IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT

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ECB have a Find A Club thing, might be worth a look there: England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) - The Official Website of the ECB

Would be happy to talk about it IRL, at some Thursday-related time in the near future

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this is great! I will digest x

Literally all the ā€˜rain stopped play’ chatter on TMS during the first Test was about the lack of red ball cricket the current team had played prior to the Test series (and that’s with it starting in August). None of the pundits are a fan of the amount of short form cricket on the go, and there was also a view that there’s too much cricket being played as well. There always seems to be this huge disconnect between what the ECB thinks is important and what those who are actually passionate about the game think is important.

One of the good questions raised was: ā€œdo we play cricket to make money, or do we try to make money so that we can play cricketā€. No idea what the answer is, but it’s hard to argue against the idea that short form cricket is what grabs the general public’s eye, while Test cricket is for the connoisseur. Sadly connoisseur’s don’t necessarily pay the bills.

I think Alastair Cook was in favour of losing a few counties (though he wouldn’t say which, and not Essex, natch).

Test cricket is the biggest money spinner for the ECB by an absolute mile.

The problem is that barely anybody watches domestic Red ball cricket.

So we get this catch 22 of wanting a strong test team while steadily ruining the chances of developing a big pool of strong test players.

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Not even sure you’d necessarily have to lose the counties. You could just establish a layer above them, which they then feed into.

If you can get @80 to 100 England qualified players, with 40 odd decent overseas players, playing each other regularly at a good quality level, you have a decent pool to choose from for the test side.

The grounds will be full even if we’re consistently losing. The pressure won’t come on from a financial front until we’ve gotten so bad that most tests don’t make it past day 2.

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The problem is capitalism. The ecb is a business and is making money for itself and its shareholders. The fortunes of the team and the game itself are massively secondary as shown in 2005 when the TV rights went to sky.

Zero days since DiS decided the solution to a relatively niche problem was bringing down capitalism

safetywink - you’re right on all counts

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Are all of the Women’s Hundred teams sponsored by crisps?