#1992

I guess this is really about what we’ve encountered on our travels tbh. I just think their numbers are massively exaggerated.

I dunno, I think they worked out maybe 8-10% of Sanders voters either sat out the election or voted Trump. Say these Trump voting bros made up half of that 10%. That’s an incredibly small number with very little influence in the wider world. The rest of the Sanders lot did their jobs and voted Hillary. Whereas 25% of all Clinton voters switched to McCain in 2008 after she lost the primary to Obama, whom she ran a very nasty and racist campaign against. Something persuaded them to throw their weight behind McCain and Palin instead of a black candidate, and demographically they are a far more influential crowd. I’ve seen a lot of them saying they won’t vote for Bernie or any Sanders adjacent candidates in 2020 if they get the nod. This should be of far greater concern in an era when authoritarian, anti-democratic trends are becoming more normalised and mainstream in the US.

#1993

^this

The number of Sanders supporters who didn’t vote for Clinton is small, certainly compared to the fall in turnout between 2012 and 2016.

Regarding the anti-SJW ‘bros’ on the left: as others have said they are numerous, and their belief stems from the idea that issues of class override all other concerns (to the exclusion of intersectionality), that ‘tinkering’ around the edges of neo-liberalism on issues such as language etc is a distraction, and also that the state and corporate america are one and the same. I can see where they are coming from, although I can’t agree with that, and would have thought that they’d have read Chomsky enough to understand why it’s not a zero-sum game.

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#1994

Don’t recall saying these guys were significant in the election, was just talking about a type of leftist. Not sure why it’s agitating you so much. Sorry.

Hmm, snarkier than I intended, I am just describing a type of person I have encountered. I’m not saying this person is representative of other leftists but that’s how it is.

#1995

You did say that there was a ‘huge area of guys’ like that though. Which suggests that you thought that they were significant.

#1996

the fuck does this even mean? Why are the comments like “omg so funny and true”

#1997

Oh sure, I’m more working out my own thinking on this Bernie Bro thing based on what I’ve seen of it over the last year or so. I’ve just noticed it being used in arguments by mostly white liberals to silence people in favour of redistributive policies and to also, by extension, exclude POC/LGBTQ American socialists from the conversation.

#1998

image

#1999

It’s wrong aside from the fact that in Manchester I’ve never encountered anyone that thought we should have had the Brexit referendum in the first fucking place.

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#2000

Nice

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#2001

Oscar Pistorius makes any attempt to interpret the message of this far more complex

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#2003

think my favourite thing about this is that none of the bands listed are indie

#2004
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#2006

Who are all three of them?

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#2007

was this meant to be that “this will make you feel old” post?

#2008

OH MY GOD, are Blue reforming?!

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#2009

Sting, Bryan Adams, Rod Stewart

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#2013

Fucking hell.

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#2014

(I have no idea who they are, either, but now I’m wondering if the other two non-Sting dudes are actually called Bryan and Rod or sutin.)

#2015

i think the public’s obsession with chrissy tiegen and john legend is the final stage of everything just being completely dumbed down. 200k+ likes on this completely inane shit.

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#2016

Are they a couple? If so, they should probably exchange phone numbers.

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