So then, La La Land. I didn’t hate it which is better than I thought I would get out of it after the fist 15 minutes. Emma Stone was absolutely superb, carried the whole thing and her two big moments in the bookending auditions were the best things about the whole film (and the only time when I didn’t cringe my balls off during a song for the latter one) which brings me onto my main takeaway which is that it either shouldn’t have been a musical at all, or it did a bad job at being a musical IMO.

I know I’m not the best person to judge given they nearly always make me physically cringe but to me, none of the big numbers in the first half were memorable in any way aside from the visuals and the technical side of how it had been shot (which was very impressive throughout). Compare it to something like Moana where I didn’t love the songs but they’re still stuck in my head weeks after seeing it or something like Grease which I fucking loathe but the songs are so memorable. I honestly came into it expecting to at least remember the songs given the hype but aside from the City of Stars melody and the central piano bit of the (really good) score I can only remember the accompanying scenes and that feels like a failing to me.

All that said it did win me round once the big numbers dried up a bit and I was fully invested (entirely down to Stone though, I usually like Gosling but thought he was trapped between two different characters here and didn’t fully get a handle on either of them) and came away with plenty to enjoy from it which is about as good as it was gonna get I think.

Manchester by the Sea however is absolutely incredible, borderline masterpiece IMO. One of the most humane mainstream films I’ve ever seen.

It’s cliched to say a film makes you feel the full range of emotions but this really did, it’s funny as fuck which I wasn’t expecting at all (the family bickering in the hospital had me in stitches) but there are at least 5 points where it pulls the rug straight out from under you and punches you right in the gut. I cried about 6 times I think and burning house scene aside it was as a result of the nuances of the performances rather than through any big narrative moments. Every single performance was laced with so much humanity, you could read all the past turmoils and heartbreaks on their faces without them ever needing to be directly referenced in the dialogue. Michelle Williams is so fucking good, the kid was great, CJ Wilson was amazing but Casey Affleck should win every award going this year IMO, had absolutely no idea he had that in him.

It was beautiful to look at in a really understated way, the only very slight misstep was the choral score IMO but that didn’t matter much when the rest of it was so superb. I really hope lots of people go and see this and it doesn’t suffer from it’s opening weekend competition.

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Do you not think the fact that Emma Stone is so good in the auditions leaves the rest of the film a bit flimsy. She’s clearly shown to be a great actress in it, so it doesnt make sense to have her portrayed as down on her luck as she is?

Do agree regarding the songs though/ They’re nice and pleasant enough on screen but I can’t really recall them now

Not especially really, I can accept it as a given that loads of talented people get overlooked in Hollywood and that first big moment in the audition is interrupted and ruined as opposed to the people thinking she was shit right?

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Would they not ask her to do it again or think what they had seen was enough?I don’t know how the audition process work and tbh I’m sort of getting hung up on a minor plot point when I did enjoy the film overall

Yeah, I think it’s just one of those things you’re supposed to accept as a given in this sort of film, I also think the fact that she’s not as conventionally “pretty” as her housemates at the beginning is supposed to play into that as well perhaps? Also the other brief snippets of auditions we see (via montage) she stinks up the place a bit?

yeah that’s a point! it wasnt something that bothered me during the film either really (unlike John Legend’s acring!)

Yeah, he was jarringly terrible.

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The Limits of Control - probably one of my favourite films, and I’ve no idea why. Go back to it about once a year and invariably doze off halfway through, but it’s so immersive and dreamlike, plus last night I watched it during a massive thunderstorm which definitely added to the experience.

I know that objectively it’s a pretty (deliberately?) boring, repetitive film with no obvious structure or pay-off, and I would never ask anyone to watch it with me, but it really gets under my skin…

Found that film almost offensively dull. Reckon it’d be a nailed on Pointless answer for films starring Bill Murray though.

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Larger Than Life too

Yeah, definitely an acquired taste…

Friend of mine really likes it as well and can’t really explain why.
I thought it was dreadful

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I never fully cried at Manchester by the Sea but instead there was just this overbearing feeling of dread which meant it took me a while to get up out of my seat when it finished, even the final shot/credits floored me, I think that’s partly because so much of the film is about people restraining their emotions, but also how mundane and awkward and inconvenient life (and death) often is, which is a difficult thing to put on film without a) just becoming a faux documentary or b) becoming hammy or dull

Just listened to Kermode’s review and he makes a good point that maybe could have done with a little bit more from Randi (Williams) as I felt their chance bumping into each other didn’t quite hit the emotional note in could have. He also makes a similar point about the soundtrack, which didn’t really bother me but I don’t always pay that much attention to the OST of films unless it really wants me to.

Total aside but one of the kid’s girlfriends was her from Moonrise Kingdom

Oh it absolutely did for me, that was very much one of the moments where it pulled the rug out from under me in that way that real-life encounters like that do. Thought they nailed that stomach dropping feeling when you run into someone from your past in a way I’ve never seen on film before.

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don’t get me wrong, it’s an excellent scene, I just felt it could have added just that little bit more with a tiny bit more colouring before hand

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saw Patriots Day. quite a tense film, well made. silly bits of jingoism take you out of it (one in particular utterance of ‘motherfuckers’, but who knows maybe it was based on fact). can’t help feeling Hollywood could be doing more valuable things at the moment than stoking people’s jingoism. nice soundtrack by Trent Reznor

oh yeah there’s a really weird scene with Khandi Alexander that i haven’t really wrapped my head around. again, not sure if it’s based on a real person

Manchester By The Sea absolutely destroyed me yesterday.

I’m officially a mess these days but I wasn’t prepared for how much this was going to affect me. Actually had to stifle sobbing noises twice.

It’s an amazing film but perhaps a bit much if you’re not feeling up to it.

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nah I’m with ant here, thought it was great

i liked the score too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I didn’t say it wasn’t great? There is no argument here (except maybe now)